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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 07:47:35
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I'd guess the reason why V-Vocal is no longer triggered by a shortcut (and perhaps can't be) is because it is now a third-party plugin as far as Sonar X3 is concerned.
Just saying.
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 11:32:58
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It would make sense with all this RegionFX stuff going on in X3. I think it's probably more of a documentation "bug".
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 11:39:44
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This is not a bug but intended behavior. VVocal is deprecated as of X3 and as such its shortcut is released back to the public domain :) Keyboard shortcuts are a valuable resource so it would be unwise to continue blocking them for deprecated features. There is currently no way to bind a hotkey to region effects other than Melodyne. In the future if there are more ARA region effects available we may consider adding a configuration mechanism to bind a specific one to a key but thats unlikely to happen soon. The hotkey for Melodyne is CTRL-M as discussed in the help and not Shift-M: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X3&Lang=EN&Req=Region_FX.04.html#1683756
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 11:44:48
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 11:47:59
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☄ Helpfulby Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] 2013/12/25 11:49:18
I already added feedback to the page requesting the reference be deleted. Of course, anyone can make recommendations to update/correct the documentation in the feedback section at the bottom of each page.
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 11:48:57
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The section on VVocal shortcuts should be deleted - you can submit feedback about the online documentation dirctly about that page to report it. The Region FX shortcuts are correct
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 12:15:46
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Keni, I believe that VV opens like Melodyne, via the Region FX tab, now. Highlight your clip or region and open the Region FX tab where you will find VV and Melodyne available. This has been reported here on several occasions.
Hi Lynn...
Thanks, I know I can use that, but the shortcuts are supposed to work too...
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Keni, I just found out they don't work here either. There may have been more changes in this version than reported. I used the shortcut to VV quite a bit, but since VV is no longer supported I'm just glad that it shows up.
Hi Lynn... I reported this when X3 was released. It was and is still in the online keyboard shortcuts list under V-Vocal Shortcuts... Previously I also found that shift-m was supposed to be a shortcut for Melodyne, but I don't seem to be able to find where I saw that back then... I wouldn't say that Cakewalk no longer supports VV... If you have it is is still supported, but it's no longer included with the purchase. It seems that it must have been the same type of interfacing as ARA, or similar enough that it's access with Sonar is as another plugin adhering to ARA format... Keni
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 12:20:51
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
This is not a bug but intended behavior. VVocal is deprecated as of X3 and as such its shortcut is released back to the public domain :) Keyboard shortcuts are a valuable resource so it would be unwise to continue blocking them for deprecated features.
There is currently no way to bind a hotkey to region effects other than Melodyne. In the future if there are more ARA region effects available we may consider adding a configuration mechanism to bind a specific one to a key but thats unlikely to happen soon.
The hotkey for Melodyne is CTRL-M as discussed in the help and not Shift-M:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X3&Lang=EN&Req=Region_FX.04.html#1683756
Thanks Noël... I will correct myself and try using Ctrl-m later today... I hope you do find the chance to add region fx to get added to the bendable commands... Maybe I don't know Melodyne well enough or that the light version is missing tools that I often use, but I still use VV a lot... I'll spend some more time with Melodyne and see how I fare as I hate having to menu dive when I need a tool! ;-) Happy Merry Holidaze! Keni
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 12:34:59
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I believe it likely that since they dropped V-Vocal that they simply haven't updated the documentation properly. Obviously it is still available to those who had prior Sonar versions, but the shortcut key was likely just removed and the other doc parts not updated.
I have gone through documentation from prior version changes, and have submitted numerous feature requests pointing out documentation errors in years past. This seems a lot like that sort of thing.
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2013/12/25 17:26:45
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Thanks Bob...
Yes, we were all guessing that but as it was still in the docs, questioning it... Now that Noel gave us the facts, we now know it to be the truth as well as I was corrected that the shortcut for Melodyne is Ctrl-M...
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2014/01/02 02:20:13
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Just recently back on the forum as have an issue with V-Vocal that seems to extend past the one here.
Recently did the Sonar Producer x3d upgrade and first time using V Vocal to do a bit to a track. Didt use Shift V or anything.
Highlighted the track > region FX> V Vocal
V Vocal opens and starts to process and just near the end, closes Sonar down all together!!!!
Tried 6 times on both track lanes and straight track - same situation except for once when a very very small piced of audio opened and let me process (next time tried again didnt) - - - ??????
So any answers anyone????
Would be nice to be able to keep using V Vocal while getting to real grips with Melodyne (and have upgraded there) and have the option as well (just like the way it does some stuff).
Look forward to hearing from anyone.
Cheers
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2014/01/02 21:38:45
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PavMusic
Just recently back on the forum as have an issue with V-Vocal that seems to extend past the one here.
Recently did the Sonar Producer x3d upgrade and first time using V Vocal to do a bit to a track. Didt use Shift V or anything.
Highlighted the track > region FX> V Vocal
V Vocal opens and starts to process and just near the end, closes Sonar down all together!!!!
Tried 6 times on both track lanes and straight track - same situation except for once when a very very small piced of audio opened and let me process (next time tried again didnt) - - - ??????
So any answers anyone????
Would be nice to be able to keep using V Vocal while getting to real grips with Melodyne (and have upgraded there) and have the option as well (just like the way it does some stuff).
Look forward to hearing from anyone.
Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian... Funny, but I'm in a somewhat similar situation... I've heard over and again how much better Melodyne is... Maybe it's better with the full editor, but it seems to me that the toolset and range limits of Melodyne (our version) are much mire limited... Some tools it doesn't seem to have, or I cat find them (draw tool) and some such as the tool to tighten drift/vibrato is far mire limited... More issues but I don't think necessary to list them here... So I continue to use V-Vocal and still get excellent results most of the time... Maybe some day I'll be able to afford the full Melodyne Editor version and have some for ant control too, but it's definitely not in the near future for me... At least knowing that the shortcut is no longer available, I will simply add it to the many tools that slow my work in X123.... ;-) Keni
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2014/01/18 05:59:54
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Hi Keni
I actually upgraded Melodyne - so potential is there - but still getting my head around the detail and the intricacies that have already in place with V-Vocal - - - still like it
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2014/01/18 14:10:12
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Hi Keni
I actually upgraded Melodyne - so potential is there - but still getting my head around the detail and the intricacies that have already in place with V-Vocal - - - still like it
Hi Pav... I truly wish I could afford the Melodyne upgrade, but it's not in the cards for me at the moment... I'm also a bit skeptical about some issues with it. I know the upgrade gives the polyphonic editing ability and I was told that for ant control is there too... But in the version given us with X3, it has a "spread" control, but it has far less range than the VV equivalent tool does... I wonder if that is any different in Melodyne Editor? That's a tool that I use quite a bit and the one we currently have doesn't seem to allow me enough range to solve some corrections.... Luckily, I have very few issues with VV and continue to use it most of the time... I like the appearance of MeloD, but I'm still finding VV most of the time... We'll see if that changes..... Thanks... Keni
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Re: Cwbrn-21308 V-Vocal shortcut Not working
2014/03/19 06:37:20
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CWBRN-22703 still an issue with X3E or documentation still needs updating.
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