Magic Russ
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DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
I hear a lot of people who have been trying out new DAWs and run across features SONAR has but the new DAW doesn't. I'm sure there are a lot of cool things these other DAWs do that SONAR doesn't do or doesn't do so well. One thing I have noticed is that in Bitwig and Mixcraft, it is a lot easier to layer instruments than in Cakewalk. I also like Bitwig's method of presets for FX better than Sonar's FX Chains. What else? EDIT - Add summary Bitwig
- FX Presets
- Modulator System
Cubase
- Control Room
- MIDI - Note Expression, Chord Track, Chord Assistant, Chord Pad
- Score Editor
Reaper- Extensions
- Routing
- Spectral Editing
Samplitude- Controller editor
- Spectral Editing
Studio One- Advanced Routing
- Scratchpad
- Studio One Remote
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 07:48:47
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Bitwig' modulator system. Those are really awesome.
Reaper's tracks.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 08:06:22
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I like the midi editing in S1 using mouse wheel for almost everything, move, length, pitch, velocity..
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 08:32:15
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The MixFX are pretty dang nifty in Studio One
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 08:46:26
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Studio Ones Arranger Track and Scratch Pads, the Splitter, Extended FX Chains and Multi Instruments, as mentioned above the Mix Engine FX is pretty awesome, especially the CTC-1 Pro Console Shapper ( very,ver y nice), the Project Page, the new Drop Out protection/ Low latency monitoring thinigy where you can have stuff, vsti's, for example, playing back at a high buffer setting while having your live input at low buffer/latency settings is pretty smick, where to stop? and it'd not just a matter of 'what?' but also 'how?' it's the way Studio One does stuff, for example SONAR has ARA integration with Melodyne, as does Studio One, but Studio Ones is superior to SONARS, which is no surprise as PreSonus and Celemony developed ARA together.
post edited by Matron Landslide - 2017/12/16 09:18:26
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 08:55:04
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Reaper:
* real-time waveform preview
* routing (especially in MIDI, including IN FX bin)
* speed
* extentions
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 10:41:46
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Samplitude has Spectral Editing at the Track Level built in.
That's something that no other DAW has.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 11:10:21
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Samplitude has Spectral Editing at the Track Level built in.
That's something that no other DAW has.
Reaper does. https://youtu.be/vSBO_VC9q3E
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 12:03:55
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☄ Helpfulby sonarman1 2017/12/19 06:54:20
Mixcraft has Melodyne, like Sonar AND cool stuff like changing a song's pitch, tempo, and time sig using markers... COLORED markers.
You can also set a marker at 0.00 and change these params for the whole song to see which settings sound best.
Each track has built in FORMANT so you can keep your voice/instrument sounding normal.
All this w/o time stretching, processing effect, or bouncing.
Each clip has it's own play, mute, & loop buttons. You can duplicate a clip as many times as you click the button creating a loop as long as you want. Loops are glued together. You can remove a looped section by highlighting & cutting it.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 14:47:24
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Samplitude has ARA integration, but my favorite features so far that Sonar doesn't have are 1) A full on controller editor that can edit all the button assignments on my ProjectMix (Mackie). 2) Revolver tracks. 3) Loads of metering and analyzers built into the GUI that are very easy on the eye. 4) The concept of virtual projects. 5) The hybrid audio engine.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 15:03:12
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Studio Ones Arranger Track and Scratch Pads, the Splitter, Extended FX Chains and Multi Instruments, as mentioned above the Mix Engine FX is pretty awesome, especially the CTC-1 Pro Console Shapper (very,very nice), the Project Page, the new Drop Out protection/ Low latency monitoring thinigy where you can have stuff, vsti's, for example, playing back at a high buffer setting while having your live input at low buffer/latency settings is pretty smick, where to stop? and it'd not just a matter of 'what?' but also 'how?' it's the way Studio One does stuff, for example SONAR has ARA integration with Melodyne, as does Studio One, but Studio Ones is superior to SONARS, which is no surprise as PreSonus and Celemony developed ARA together.
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Magic Russ
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 15:22:19
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Samplitude has ARA integration, but my favorite features so far that Sonar doesn't have are 1) A full on controller editor that can edit all the button assignments on my ProjectMix (Mackie). 2) Revolver tracks. 3) Loads of metering and analyzers built into the GUI that are very easy on the eye. 4) The concept of virtual projects. 5) The hybrid audio engine.
Could you explain #2,4, and 5 please?
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 15:42:13
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Each track has built in FORMANT so you can keep your voice/instrument sounding normal.
I thought that people used formant to do things like gender change, or beef up a wimpy vocalist, or make a voice sound alien. I'm not sure why you would need it to keep things sounding normal.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 18:41:41
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Comparing spectral editing in Reaper vs. Samplitude is like comparing MS Paint to Photoshop. There's a good chance MS Paint is all you'll ever need - I use it far more often than Photoshop - but they're not apples-to-apples.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 20:04:19
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Things I'm loving about Studio One:
- You can create a new audio track by dragging n' dropping a VST just like SONAR lets you do with VSTi. Great for quickly creating a guitar track with amp sim on it.
- You can set audio input to follow track selection -- again, just like SONAR does with VSTi with MIDI input. Also great for guitar tracks since it makes it so smooth switching back and forth between rhythm, lead, etc..
- The flexible, parallel VST/VSTi routing capabilities is flat out amazing. It surprises me that this isn't a standard feature in modern DAWs.
- The Studio One Remote is really nice. I never expected to get much use out of it but it has really surprised me with how convenient it is. The deep integration makes it nicer than using a generic control surface app as a remote and setup takes zero time other than ensuring the remote device is on the same network as your DAW.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/16 20:47:43
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Well - I could name a lot of functions in Cubase (especially MIDI) that Sonar simply has not (like Note Expression, Chord Track that works with audio too, Chord Assistant and Chord Pads). For audio Pitch and Length Sonar uses ARA, but I must say that VariAudio is more than enough for my needs. MIDI is one of the biggest reasons I "jumped ship" to Cubase last April.
For those that want to use music notation, Cubase's Score Editor is simply miles ahead of the Score Editor in Sonar. No need for external programs - It's build in in Cubase. Sure - It's not as sophisticated as Finale or Sibelius (or Steinberg's Dorico), but for me it more than adequate, and no extra costs for any external program.
And second main reason I started to use Cubase more than Sonar is the Control Room. Even for simple things like having a monitor simulation (TB Isone) on my headphone output, having a Room Correction (ARC 2) on my monitors and finally export the result, resulted in a lot of output switching and VST switching in Sonar (with the chance of forgetting a plugin). In Cubase this is a one-time setup, and you can do all these things at the same time without any switching by using the Control Room. Once I was used to it, going back to Sonar was a PITA.
One thing that Sonar did better was in-track bouncing/freezing of MIDI. In Cubase there is always a second (audio) track generated, but I can live with that. At the other hand, one of the new things in Cubase 9.5 is Offline Processing (clip processing), that can safe a lot of processing power and is very flexible to use. I really love that new feature...
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Magic Russ
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/18 06:12:27
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I've added a summary at the top of the page. Corrections and additions are welcome, but I'm not going to add features to that summary if I don't understand what the feature is or why it is important.
I'm not going to add that a feature is "Better in DAW X" than in SONAR unless I see some concrete reason why. In a lot of cases these things come down to taste and habits.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/18 06:14:27
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Modify the OP at your peril. The spam blocker has been known to delete entire threads when the initial post gets changed.
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Magic Russ
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 05:55:12
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 06:06:18
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it is a possibility, have the name of the OP?
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 06:46:42
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it is a possibility, have the name of the OP?
I may be mistaken. I see a thread out there: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-Alternatives-Cubase-m3701234.aspx I think that may be the "missing" one. I went looking the other day and couldn't find it, but it may have been my error -- or maybe it was restored -- or maybe I am hallucinating -- or maybe none of this is real -- maybe we are just actors in a play from another dimension ...
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 06:49:07
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That was the first one in my post
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 07:25:40
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Studio one has a usable simple sampler built in
split to grid feature
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 07:54:36
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scook
yes
here are the most recent restore requests I processed
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3709339
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3710883
It seems the main thread about Cubase has disappeared from the software section too.
Yeah - I noticed that also. Strange enough all threads about Studio One stay intact and have no problem with "auto spam removal". You could almost think some moderators here have a "agenda" or have investments in Studio One. If so - I do not get that aggression against Cubase. Could it be because it's an German based DAW? Well - I have done with this forum. I have no time and don't look forward to try to resurrect these threads the whole time. It feels like being punched in the nose because being helpful. Very ungrateful reward after trying to help as much as possible all these years here. Good luck to all of you, and see you on the other forums (Steinberg, KVR, Image Line, Gearsluz and so on).
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 15:00:14
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That was the first one in my post
Good. Then I am not insane. Or at least this can't be used as evidence that I am insane. :)
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 15:05:29
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Yeah - I noticed that also. Strange enough all threads about Studio One stay intact and have no problem with "auto spam removal". You could almost think some moderators here have a "agenda" or have investments in Studio One.
If so - I do not get that aggression against Cubase. Could it be because it's an German based DAW?
I really doubt that and hope you are not right about this. If people had such an agenda, they could simply ban such threads outright or purge individual posts that didn't meet their "agenda". As far as I can see, everybody is doing their best to help one another through a bad situation. t does seem like a very strange bug though. It is very common on forums for the OPer to update the initial post regularly, and I have never seen this cause a problem on any other forum.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 18:53:48
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I don't think anyone has mentioned remote control via iPhone or iPad.
Mixcraft has this covered nicely. No more screwing around with V-Control or Splashtop.
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Re: DAW Search: Cool Features not in SONAR
2017/12/19 23:44:02
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soens
Each track has built in FORMANT so you can keep your voice/instrument sounding normal.
I thought that people used formant to do things like gender change, or beef up a wimpy vocalist, or make a voice sound alien. I'm not sure why you would need it to keep things sounding normal.
YMMV If I increase the pitch of a song I don't want my voice sounding like a chipmunk!
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