ORIGINAL: Beagle

That's fine shad. I'm not saying she CAN'T use full range - and a good composer might do just that. It's just a word of encouragement to look at the way that instruments are "typically" used.

Ahh... LOL. Well, "typical" is not something anybody has ever said about me, which might explain why something that seems atypical to others, seems normal to me.

hey janet

I've been watching you on this forum and you are allways
so kind with your words. when i listened to some of your
playing i said to myself oh man i want to critque it.

but i couldnt. I couldnt make myself say anything to degrade
what you did. however with Egevary I've hit him hard as a result
we have become such good freinds.

his acomplishments have made leaps and bounds forword.

so what do i do with you? say oh my lady it sounds nice with
an opposing gesture on my face?

And get this. how can a person who cannot play as well
as you do say it sounds sterile? oops "sterile sliped out.

Man! now i gotta explain myself
I should have shut up!

I like this tune. I like the skill of whoever brought it to this
point of sounding this good. You know what? I'd bet if I were
standing next to you playing a 9' 6" steinway grand I wouldn't
be making any remarks.

your piano sound isnt doing you justice. a real piano has
much more low end. even samples are real sounds. If only
I could play as well as you.

Guitar is my main instrument so I dont have tenique on the
ivorys. Think of it like this. even on a cheezy tv watching a
concert pianist you'll see and hear such emotion,feel, tone
etc

sometimes thay lay so low and sometimes they hamer it!
sometimes they do this
sometimes they do that

expression and tone

seek that

its funny a guitar player can bend notes and do all sorts
of crazy things with the strings.

but what does a piano do?

It uses a key to "hammer" the string
any way it likes to LOL

Mixing etc is a whole new subject but i hear the player
in you wanting to add more color. keep on doing what
your doing. its working

jimmy

Hi Janet!!!

Very Pretty song.

I haven't read any other comments, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone said it sound "Celtic". I am not that familiar with the style, but it reminds me of that. I don't think of it as dark. It has too much spirit and color, I think!

As usual, I would like the drums to come out more. They probably need compression and to be
EQed. I would prefer another sound for the rim shot.

Piano sounds great....as usual...!

Best Regards, Linda

Thanks, Daryl! More volume on the left hand? Now that's something that never occurred to me and I wouldn't have a clue how to fix. (oh yes, I could do it note by note... ugh.. Or re-play it.) Anyway, thank you. I appreciate it.

Now, anyone got a better name for this thing that ended up not being so dark after all?

Janet,

Everythings seems to be coming out much louder on my left speaker. (even the drums) I checked another tune to be sure it wasn't on my end and it's fine... Excellent piano playing with a nice tone!

Jimmy--thanks--more fine ideas!

Larry--thanks so much! Not sure what happened here, but it's getting a make-over.

Rick--it must be your monitors--it's perfect on mine! LOL. No, it's getting a major face-lift--I wish this thing would die a slow death, cause you're all gonna be invited to listen again when I get it re-re-mixed. Yeah, at least once more, knowing me. Right now I'm waiting on EZDrummer to come (yeah, Santa was generous this year!) so I can redo the drums. Or maybe I should just post what I have already and quit making you all think you're off-balance! Maybe I'll do that tomorrow if I get a free minute. Anyway, thanks for listening and for the props! Much appreciated!

As i just scan through the posts while listnening; i must agree that u shall do more with the drums. And it is just about the sound of them, not the performance. EZ-drummer is a nice package, but to me it suits Hard rock or Heavy metal "right out of the box" more than this (your) kind of music.

The overall performance is just good (i mean really good!), and i like the tune.

I have a strange feeling that the whole thing is "left-mixed"? Is it the piano that is not centred in the mix? It shall be:) .

Cheers and keep up the nice n good work:)
/Bengt

hi janet , you`ve got it mixed alot better now, everything seems to be at the right space and level, well done.

hey janet

I've been trying to figure out what is ( at least for my taste)
is happening to this tunes "mix"

I went to your soundlick page to scan through some of your
stuff. "Oklahoma fall morning" is the best sounding piano
it sounds "super"

the mix is right on. everything sounds great.

so what is happening to dark night?

I'm not going to comment on the drums because thats
another thing to concider when getting into the whole aspect
of things.

I'll speak about the piano sound and what i now has discovered.

When you first play that little bit of work at the begining
(without all the other stuff) thats where i caught it.

it sounds like its too far left because of an effect. sounds like your
using a delay, reverb, stereoizer or all the above.

are you saving your stuff I.E. duplicate the piano sound of
"Oklahoma fall morning" in terms of piano sound?

Or are you wanting to get different piano sounds? in which
case my comments about this would be meaningless
blabber LOL

the worst part of it all still though is this. there is so much
compression on the mix that it squashes and distorts when
the other instruments join in.

it took me about 6 to 8 listens to finally catch it.

I'll take a stab at guessing what it is.

your using Boost11 on the mix. your seeing about 3 to 5
green bars lighting up on it.

In my expereince anything past 1 or 2 green bars at the most
will (with Boost11) will turn into mush

As a matter of fact Boost11 will still to a wonderfull job of
leveling even when you see no green bars. or maybe
only an ocasional 1 or 2

I found this when veiwing a wav file.

I'm not so much focused on ctriqueing this tune as much as
sharing thoughts.

so i hope anyone reading this dont think I'm trying to be
mr critque but just using this tune to think out loud.

maybe its another compressor. but i'd be interested in
knowing if im even remotely close with my description?

If it matters I've got a piano setup using TTS1 with some
more or less "tricks" to get a piano sound I like. I'll share
some of that info with you if you like.

I'll take a stab at something else too. I think your not into
such a "real dark sounding grand sound" You prefer a little
crisp or cleaner sound.

after reading you say you like the "ivory" synth I had to go
check it out but dog gone it for some reason my computor
wont play the online demo.

I treid the "true piano" "amber" but it sounds dark dull and
phasy to me.

The "diamond" sounds good on the demo but i dont have that.

So I'll shut up now. I'm just trying to learn by asking
questions.

Cheers

Jimmy

Alan--thanks for taking a second listen!

Doug--you too--thanks for listening again! The never was a rim shot in this one, so maybe the snare just sounds better? I messed with it a bit. Anyway, thanks!

Jimmy--I'll look into that. I've used about 4 piano samples so far and I don't know which song has which one. I think I switched to GPO Steinway on this one. It should be good itself, so I must be messing it up in the mixing stage. I'm still so new to this, so I really appreciate the good ears you guys have to help me. I'm not going for any particular piano sound--just one that sounds good! But you listened 6-8 times? Wow! Thanks! I'll look into that and see if I can get it to sound better.

Venus--thanks so much! The drums are sitting right in the middle, so I'm not sure what happened there. I hope you're not going deaf!