Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
At some point over the last couple of updates of Sonar Platinum, the behavior of Delete Hole seems to have changed. Formerly, I could highlight all of my tracks, cut a section, and have everything shift to the new correct position. Currently, tracks that have blank space before the data don't get moved - this results in those tracks being out of sync.
Similarly, "cutting" a MIDI track used to recognize blank space before the data - I could copy measures with notes that started halfway through, and the timing would be kept the same. As it is now, the notes get pasted at the cursor instead of retaining the original timing. "Copying" a track does keep the blank space as expected, so I'm not sure what's happened to differentiate those two.
Has there been a new setting introduced that would cause this? Any info would be great!
Thanks,
-Stephen
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 09:16:31
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I am having the same problems here Stephen , midi tracks do not change
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 09:24:52
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Haven't checked out the midi issue but did have the the Delete Hole function not work on all tracks in a project yesterday.
Consider this a partial confirmation.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 10:23:46
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big_al@stephenrippy.com
At some point over the last couple of updates of Sonar Platinum, the behavior of Delete Hole seems to have changed. Formerly, I could highlight all of my tracks, cut a section, and have everything shift to the new correct position. Currently, tracks that have blank space before the data don't get moved - this results in those tracks being out of sync. It may or may not be related, but I get something very similar with Insert Measures. Sometimes it just refuses to slide some of the tracks to the right. It always works when I repeat it a second time. Similarly, "cutting" a MIDI track used to recognize blank space before the data - I could copy measures with notes that started halfway through, and the timing would be kept the same. As it is now, the notes get pasted at the cursor instead of retaining the original timing. "Copying" a track does keep the blank space as expected, so I'm not sure what's happened to differentiate those two. Same for me - it's complaint #1 on my list here - http://forum.cakewalk.com/Todays-glitchesannoyances-m3346987.aspx
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 10:36:22
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IIRC, it has always been the case that deletion is event based. No event in a track, no deletion.
I had the same issue and Craig Anderton took the time to explain why. He and others suggested workarounds.
Unfortunately I can't find the thread anymore.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 11:37:30
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/30 20:31:45
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we are talking about tracks that have events in them , at least I am .
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 01:25:46
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/01/31 08:20:13
I think this is a bug that's been around a long time and if you uncheck non-destructive midi editing then it'll work right. Let me know if this does it.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 05:16:02
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Non-destructive midi editing might have some consequences, but i always have it off and I too have had continuing problems with cut, paste, and delete hole. See new thread re warning signs for a cut & paste crash.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 06:26:39
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gmp
I think this is a bug that's been around a long time and if you uncheck non-destructive midi editing then it'll work right. Let me know if this does it.
You might have hit on something there. I tried last night with the option switched on. Result, not everything shifted to the left. Tried again just now with it off and everything moves. Good catch!
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 08:31:46
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I appreciate the replies and suggestions!
As far as the delete hole issue goes - after reading jpetersen's post and poking around the forums some more, the consensus seems to be that it's working the way it always has. Of course I don't have any evidence to back it up, but it sure feels like something changed. It's a feature I've used a decent amount, so I'd be surprised to learn that I'd just accidentally avoided the problem until now.
gmp, I tend to keep non-destructive MIDI editing unchecked. I tried it back and forth both ways this morning, and still had the cut/paste problems.
Thanks!
-Stephen
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 10:38:46
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It's a bit worrying, because this is the second bug I've seen where disabling non-destructive MIDI editing fixes it, at least in some cases... but non-destructive MIDI editing should be the standard, like it is for audio.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/01/31 11:36:06
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big_al@stephenrippy.com
I appreciate the replies and suggestions!
As far as the delete hole issue goes - after reading jpetersen's post and poking around the forums some more, the consensus seems to be that it's working the way it always has. Of course I don't have any evidence to back it up, but it sure feels like something changed. It's a feature I've used a decent amount, so I'd be surprised to learn that I'd just accidentally avoided the problem until now.
gmp, I tend to keep non-destructive MIDI editing unchecked. I tried it back and forth both ways this morning, and still had the cut/paste problems.
Thanks!
-Stephen
This is a very aggravating bug. I really like non-destructive midi editing and leave it checked except when I need to delete the hole. The bug started with X1 I think, definitely in X3. It was clearly not in ANY version of Sonar or Cakewalk from 8.5 back to the DOS days. Sometimes I wonder what Cakewalk is doing, it seems they get too caught up in the new next shiny thing they can dangle in front of us instead of fixing bugs they're very aware of.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/02/01 15:48:53
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Probably not but - might be - ALL tracks must be selected (that need to shift). Then delete hole.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/02/02 08:17:40
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MArwood
Probably not but - might be - ALL tracks must be selected (that need to shift). Then delete hole.
Max Arwood
I've noticed that select all is not working correctly some of the time which plays into the delete hole.... rafone
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/02/02 10:42:34
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Kylotan
It's a bit worrying, because this is the second bug I've seen where disabling non-destructive MIDI editing fixes it, at least in some cases... but non-destructive MIDI editing should be the standard, like it is for audio.
Another thing is that when non destuctive midi editing is checked, any midi note that starts before and ends after a split point in a clip is truncated. This could well be an intended behaviour, but I find it sensationally annoying!
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/02/02 11:07:31
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Unfortunately, I'm sure I've had all the tracks selected - but it was worth a look.
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Re: Delete Hole not shifting some tracks
2016/02/02 13:20:01
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MArwood
Probably not but - might be - ALL tracks must be selected (that need to shift). Then delete hole.
Max Arwood
I've noticed that select all is not working correctly some of the time which plays into the delete hole....
rafone
Are you referring to this bug below that's also been around for a very long time? If you try to drag select a bunch of tracks by click dragging the track numbers, it'll sometimes stop selecting when it gets to a particular track and you have to hold I think it's Control or Shift and then click to the last track you're trying to select. I tend to have some track folders in my projects and this bug may be more prevalent when track folders are around. Still this bug seems to be one that affects almost everyone. I talked to Cakewalk on the phone about it once with X3 and he said if there is a workaround to a bug they tend to put it on low priority. I can certainly understand that, yet I can’t understand not ever fixing it. I wish Cakewalk would go on a serious bug fixing rampage for a while instead of trying to entice us with new features. My 2 cents!
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