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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:27:32
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mike_mccue
"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."
That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.
Just a thought Mike. Your opening reply feels pretty condescending to the entire "active" membership here. But I can see where that is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
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It looks like that E is a few cents sharp.
Just sayin.
It's called over compensation. I think.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
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baps... yeeeuuup!
Remember all that stuff I told you? I could not make it happen this weekend on my tablet. I feels ya pain Beags.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:33:17
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mike_mccue
"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."
That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.
Just a thought Mike.
Your opening reply feels pretty condescending to the entire "active" membership here.
But I can see where that is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.
Hi bapu, Thank you for offering a straight forward and honest opinion. I considered that before I shared my opinion. I get your point and appreciate the forth rightness with which it was delivered. best regards, mike
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:34:08
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This thread leaves me feeling honored and insulted all at the same time. Ah internet. You complete me.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:34:41
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ouch! I've been able to quote sometimes but it takes a lot of trying and I can't be arsed to try that hard. 
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:34:51
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Beepster
This thread leaves me feeling honored and insulted all at the same time. Ah internet. You complete me.
You can call it Jerry.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 20:35:51
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Beagle
ouch!
I've been able to quote sometimes but it takes a lot of trying and I can't be arsed to try that hard.
Got it.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 21:55:53
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"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."
That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.
Jose is one of those guys who used to be here all the time sharing info with us.
He knows digital audio inside and out, has designed digital audio hardware, written lots of code and stays up to date on OS dev. I regret having witnessed him drift away after becoming disillusioned with the go-team, no questions asked attitude that has evolved here. I still have a lot of stuff to learn from him.
Back in the hey day there were a couple dozen guys of his caliber that discussed stuff here because they thought SONAR was the coolest and that made this forum one of the most distinctive places on the entire internet. It was a central clearing house for learning about DAW... it was way way more exacting and pertinent than the WTFV book reports that serve as peer to peer help here these days.
Now it seems, few people even recognize who it was that was making a comment.
Times, they are a changing.
best,
mike
You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle. As always you are selective in what you point out, again have been insulting and contributed nothing yourself. There's plenty here that could teach you a whole bunch of stuff, about much more than audio too. When the student is ready... The times are ALWAYS changing even for those with their heads firmly planted in a dark place. It just becomes more of a shock to them if they do ever see the light of day ever again. I can understand your lamenting the absence of many of those that did display a technical background because it did start to expose you as the blagger you are that seems to display very little grasp of anything in actuality.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 22:02:22
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mike_mccue
"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."
That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.
Just a thought Mike.
Your opening reply feels pretty condescending to the entire "active" membership here.
But I can see where that is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.
Hi bapu,
Thank you for offering a straight forward and honest opinion.
I considered that before I shared my opinion. I get your point and appreciate the forth rightness with which it was delivered.
But I will regardless carry on in my perpetual arrogant way and not take a blind bit of notice whose nose I bend out of joint, and I retain the right to act all hurt and righteous should anyone address me in the similar manner.
best regards, whilst still looking down my nose at the plebs.
mike
Subtexted.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 22:42:00
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You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.
IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while. When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/01 22:50:56
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Jonbouy
You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.
IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while.
When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.
Yes, I seem to remember that a whole rake of suggested improvements were put forward by a number of members which were largely disregarded IIRC, there was a fair bit of ill-feeling surrounding that. That's why I mentioned there may be a little axe-grinding involved perhaps which would likely skew any findings from a purely 'engineering' perspective. The motives of the OP are often transparent which again negates much of anything useful that was likely to arise from a discourse on the subject, other than to say there's not much standing out in the way of a recommendation for migrating to Windows 8 just now.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 00:55:30
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I'm holding out for windows 10 myself.... 
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 02:37:43
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Gearslutz = all the ones who've been thrown off kvr + all the other ones.
too many lasers...  Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 06:18:02
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Bub
Jonbouy
You mentioned all that, but you omitted the fact that he may have an axe to grind being one of the disgruntled that abandoned ship during the X1 kerfuffle.
IIRC, things got pretty heated there for a while during the last days that Jose was coming here regularly, and that was before X1 IIRC. It felt like the forum was bubbling to a head and a change of guard was coming. At least that's how I remember it. I was going through some heavy duty stuff personally and it may just have been me projecting my feelings in to it subconsciously. That kind of thing happens without you knowing sometimes. But it seemed pretty crappy around here just before X1's release so I stopped coming here for a while.
When I say 'here', I mean upstairs, not the CH.
Hi Bub, I'm guessing your recollection is about Jose Cabrera... who was a very informed and passionate composer. The Jose I am referring to is another guy. Years ago he wrote a program called Dskbench and use to offer Cakewalk help and advice that it acknowledged had high value for performance gains. Then when he began pointing out that the sky was "blue" he was slowly inspired to go elsewhere so that he could correspond with people who were willing to consider facts, and scientific, replicable, testing methods, rather than rely on marketing statements. all the best, mike
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 06:27:37
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wasn't it vin curigliano (TAFKAT) and DAWBench that really opened that can of worms between what the Bakers claim Sonar can do and what people found in the real world? when that blew up a lot of people upped and left. Then X1 marked a new point at which people upped sticks.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 07:01:35
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Then when he began pointing out that the sky was "blue" he was slowly inspired to go elsewhere so that he could correspond with people who were willing to consider facts, and scientific, replicable, testing methods, rather than rely on marketing statements. Which of course implies again that you consider very few here are capable of doing such a thing without your guidance. Another thing that you've overlooked here is that Sonar consistently performs well in benchmark tests, it has done for a long time and continues to do so. It particularly scales well under heavy loads and is very CPU efficient compared with many applications. Fortunately it has an actual digital audio engineer that is very accomplished as it's CTO. There are many criticism that are valid when it comes to Sonar but on this particular aspect the sky is indeed still blue.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 07:13:45
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playing devil's advocate here, Jon, but i thought the DAWbench stuff consistently showed SOnar to be one of the weakest in this test, mainly due to its loading onto one core? of course, these aren't real-world tests, but they are interesting, especially showing how much better Win 7 is than OSX for audio. As a Sonar user I am quite happy with how it works for me though, just as I am with my Echo Audiofire despite the same testing proving it is apparently rubbish for low-latency work! lies, damned lies and statistics!
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 07:19:21
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playing devil's advocate here, Jon, but i thought the DAWbench stuff consistently showed SOnar to be one of the weakest in this test, mainly due to its loading onto one core? of course, these aren't real-world tests, but they are interesting, especially showing how much better Win 7 is than OSX for audio. As a Sonar user I am quite happy with how it works for me though, just as I am with my Echo Audiofire despite the same testing proving it is apparently rubbish for low-latency work! lies, damned lies and statistics!
Exactly, aside from the fact that any independent benchmark figures I've seen Sonar comes out pretty well. It works well for me particularly when I have a project loaded to the gunwhales ready for mixing. It clearly outperforms the other leading DAW I use in that particular role. Any gripes I have with Sonar are not to do with it's capability of processing digital audio. The idea of 'an actual digital audio engineer' contributing anything worthwhile when they are not the actual digital audio engineers responsible for the code we end up using are limited if not completely moot. I'd rather hear of the concerns of those trying to use Sonar for its intended purpose in their productions rather than the geekdom that surrounds this kind of thing anyway. I don't buy a car on the strength that I can pass the time of day with the mechanics discussing the merits of using a particular fuel injection system. I wanna drive the darned thing.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 09:01:56
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mike_mccue
bapu
mike_mccue
"If I want to read and get an informed opinion about Windows 8, it probably wouldn't be on this forum."
That statement exemplifies the self perpetuating trend in this forum.
Just a thought Mike.
Your opening reply feels pretty condescending to the entire "active" membership here.
But I can see where that is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.
Hi bapu,
Thank you for offering a straight forward and honest opinion.
I considered that before I shared my opinion. I get your point and appreciate the forth rightness with which it was delivered.
But I will regardless carry on in my perpetual arrogant way and not take a blind bit of notice whose nose I bend out of joint, and I retain the right to act all hurt and righteous should anyone address me in the similar manner.
best regards, whilst still looking down my nose at the plebs.
mike
Subtexted.
Further subtexted: mike_mccue
Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer, just like me in case you didn't know, stopped by the X forum?
:-) Best regards Steve :-)
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:20:05
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Mike, actually I'm an audio engineer too.
Now if you had included "pro".....well I've never been paid to do it.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:25:35
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A few questions...
What's digital?
What's Audio?
What's an engineer?
Can I be one?
Does it hurt?
I could assess it a little better with that information. Thanks in advance.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:27:47
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FastBikerBoy
A few questions...
What's digital?
What's Audio?
What's an engineer?
Can I be one?
Does it hurt?
I could assess it a little better with that information. Thanks in advance.
ALL these answers and many more are right here FBB www.google.com go on, click it - you know you want to
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:36:01
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FastBikerBoy
A few questions...
What's digital?
What's Audio?
What's an engineer?
Can I be one?
Does it hurt?
I could assess it a little better with that information. Thanks in advance.
ALL these answers and many more are right here FBB www.google.com
go on, click it - you know you want to
I see what U did there. Bravo!!! (ok, back to my day time Excavating Engineering job.......aka grave digger)
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:36:26
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Mike, actually I'm an audio engineer too.
Now if you had included "pro".....well I've never been paid to do it.
I've been paid to do it. so have a lot of folks on the forum - some who even make a living at it. thus the insult by mike.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:48:50
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spacey
Mike, actually I'm an audio engineer too.
Now if you had included "pro".....well I've never been paid to do it.
I've been paid to do it. so have a lot of folks on the forum - some who even make a living at it. thus the insult by mike.
No, he never insults anyone. He told me that yesterday, just after he called FBB 'half-witted' and 'a petty child'.
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Re:Did anyone notice that an actual digital audio engineer stopped by the X forum?
2012/10/02 12:52:30
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Mike, actually I'm an audio engineer too.
Now if you had included "pro".....well I've never been paid to do it.
I've been paid to do it. so have a lot of folks on the forum - some who even make a living at it. thus the insult by mike.
No, he never insults anyone. He told me that yesterday, just after he called FBB 'half-witted' and 'a petty child'.
Ah... but they are facts see - I know Mike told me. 
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