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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 09:12:47 (permalink)
In a world where a good well recorded and prepared bass sample library costs about $99 per set it is hard to expect Dimension Pro to come with anything substantial.

Dimensions Pro's role at Cakewalk is to provide a complete newbie who has never used a DAW a reason to purchase SONAR Producer as an all in one band in the box solution... never mind that it will take several years and tons of extra expenses to master the programs functionality... the goal is to get the money.

The goal is to reduce the number of reasons a complete DAW beginner might not buy Cakewalk's premier SONAR Producer package.

This was explained in detail by Cakewalk's reps when we asked why they do not focus all the resources on making SONAR, the actual DAW, work as well as possible instead of wasting dev time on bundled peripheral projects that don't seem to be supported by interest or sales in the free market.

Everyone else is caught in the crossfire.


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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 10:25:56 (permalink)

Who asked you? If you don't have something constructive to say about the problem then why even bother to open your pie hole?
I don't think it's me who has nothing constructive to say here ... I think it's you.  I admit I was a little harsh in my first response, and I apologize for that, but a lot of high-profile people have chimed in to try and help you, and what's your response?  "I'm 57 years old and I know a thing or 2 about computers. Built my first one before Bill Gates started selling software so it is not the computer or the sound card that is the problem."  Yeah, it's gotta be the software, right?  Oh, and don't let anyone try to tell you that you might be the problem, just shut your pie hole.  You came her for help, and you got it - you just ignored it because you are "the expert".
 
So, as for your original issue, why is Dimension Pro such a deal breaker for you?  Get something else, like Sonik Synth or any other number of great synths out there that play in tune.  I can't imagine a professional engineer relying on Dimension Pro as his only go-to synth, and then abandoning his DAW software because of it not playing in tune.  What am I missing here?  Why is this such an issue?  Sure, let's get it fixed if we can, but in the meantime, isn't there something else we can use?
 
Tell you what - this is the good guy deal of the week.  You send me one of those systems you can't get working with Sonar, and I'll configure it for you and send it back to you, no charge.  I would love nothing more than to see you be successful, and I'm willing to do my part.

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 15:50:01 (permalink)
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Who asked you? If you don't have something constructive to say about the problem then why even bother to open your pie hole?
I don't think it's me who has nothing constructive to say here ... I think it's you.  I admit I was a little harsh in my first response, and I apologize for that, but a lot of high-profile people have chimed in to try and help you, and what's your response?  "I'm 57 years old and I know a thing or 2 about computers. Built my first one before Bill Gates started selling software so it is not the computer or the sound card that is the problem."  Yeah, it's gotta be the software, right?  Oh, and don't let anyone try to tell you that you might be the problem, just shut your pie hole.  You came her for help, and you got it - you just ignored it because you are "the expert".
 
So, as for your original issue, why is Dimension Pro such a deal breaker for you?  Get something else, like Sonik Synth or any other number of great synths out there that play in tune.  I can't imagine a professional engineer relying on Dimension Pro as his only go-to synth, and then abandoning his DAW software because of it not playing in tune.  What am I missing here?  Why is this such an issue?  Sure, let's get it fixed if we can, but in the meantime, isn't there something else we can use?
 
Tell you what - this is the good guy deal of the week.  You send me one of those systems you can't get working with Sonar, and I'll configure it for you and send it back to you, no charge.  I would love nothing more than to see you be successful, and I'm willing to do my part.


I have moved on from this. I like Dim Pro because it has some sounds I like better than anything else. I'm just gonna live with the sonar crashes and save my work every 2 minutes. You cant fix it. I even had the sonar rep look at it at Guitar Center when he was there and he said I was configured correctly. He couldn't explain the crashes either. Gave me the usual sales pitch. "Buy the new improved one when it comes out". Well that's what I did with version 8. Let's drop this. I have wasted enough time on it.  But thanks for the more level headed reply this time. I appreciate it.

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 15:52:54 (permalink)
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rick7653


stratman70


OK Rick That's fine. We will all move along. I will end with this-
Sonar is not stable for "you" on any PC. We are not liars or idiots. I am not saying you said we were-directly.
But, If the product was totally useless as you claim we must be idiots to use it? Think about it.
No one died in the discussion so all is well
Peace Rick Hope you find what your lookin for.
Although to blame it all, 100%, on the software makes me think you won't-
But I wish you the best.
Frank


Get your facts straight as we end this. I said it is useless if IT WONT PLAY IN TUNE. What part of that is vague?
 
Hey Rick-You said" Sonar crashes every 20 minutes, My Posts references Sonar, read it-Not Dim Pro. read your posts before you get nasty- SONAR, Not Dimension Pro. You started with DIM Pro then graduated to Sonar. What's vague is you not remembering what you posts
Bye and I take back my Good Luck-Wow!


Thats fine. Whatever melts your butter.

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 16:37:51 (permalink)
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I have moved on from this. I like Dim Pro because it has some sounds I like better than anything else. I'm just gonna live with the sonar crashes and save my work every 2 minutes. You cant fix it. I even had the sonar rep look at it at Guitar Center when he was there and he said I was configured correctly. He couldn't explain the crashes either. Gave me the usual sales pitch. "Buy the new improved one when it comes out". Well that's what I did with version 8. Let's drop this. I have wasted enough time on it.  But thanks for the more level headed reply this time. I appreciate it.
 
Unfortunately with a DAW there are so many variables, including any of dozens of plugins that can cause instability. Even some of the Sonitus plugins cause Sonar to become unstable. Some plugins that I am aware of that cause instability:

  • Some Sonitus plugins
  • Bionic Delay
  • V-Vocal
  • Any plugin that sends MIDI out (and requires the "Enable MIDI Output" feature eg Catanya). This is a Sonar bug, not the plugins.
  • And many other plugins I can't think of right now that I've had problems with.
If it is just Sonar crashing, then it is probably any of: Sonar itself, one or more plugins, your audio or MIDI drivers, etc. If it is the OS crashing, then it is something outside of Sonar. Maybe another driver or bad memory or other bad hardware etc.
 
It might be helpful to list all your plugins you are using (including soft synths etc), and someone might recognize one that is known to cause problems.
post edited by SilkTone - 2010/04/15 16:39:47

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/15 16:53:46 (permalink)
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rick7653
I have moved on from this. I like Dim Pro because it has some sounds I like better than anything else. I'm just gonna live with the sonar crashes and save my work every 2 minutes. You cant fix it. I even had the sonar rep look at it at Guitar Center when he was there and he said I was configured correctly. He couldn't explain the crashes either. Gave me the usual sales pitch. "Buy the new improved one when it comes out". Well that's what I did with version 8. Let's drop this. I have wasted enough time on it.  But thanks for the more level headed reply this time. I appreciate it.
 
Unfortunately with a DAW there are so many variables, including any of dozens of plugins that can cause instability. Even some of the Sonitus plugins cause Sonar to become unstable. Some plugins that I am aware of that cause instability:

  • Some Sonitus plugins
  • Bionic Delay
  • V-Vocal
  • Any plugin that sends MIDI out (and requires the "Enable MIDI Output" feature eg Catanya). This is a Sonar bug, not the plugins.
  • And many other plugins I can't think of right now that I've had problems with.
If it is just Sonar crashing, then it is probably any of: Sonar itself, one or more plugins, your audio or MIDI drivers, etc. If it is the OS crashing, then it is something outside of Sonar. Maybe another driver or bad memory or other bad hardware etc.
 
It might be helpful to list all your plugins you are using (including soft synths etc), and someone might recognize one that is known to cause problems.


Just to set the record straight. Windows doesn't crash, Sonar doesn't crash the audio engine stops or I get a dropout warning at completely random times. This occurs with no fx and only 1 midi track open. It occurs whether I am playing or not. Also just clicking on the loop icon in the big transport control WILL cause the whole program to crash and requires a restart of sonar, but only randomly. Listen I appreciate the effort I really do but I have been tweaking this thing for 3 months using all the advice from this forum and others and though it is better it is still annoying when you are in the middle of a track. Especially when you are having that "MAGIC" take that you have been trying for an hour to get right. I am just going to live with it like everybody else does with the same trouble. As far as those plug ins go why in the hell do they include them if they suck bad enough to kill the program. Just doesn't make any sense. If you look on this forum there are 800 reasons why people think these things happen. It could be any one of them on any number of machines. No rhyme or reason. The reason I get upset is because there are people here who just can't accept that there may be something wrong with the software in general. Those people insist on flaming anybody with a complaint and insist it is the users fault every time. That is not realistic.
post edited by rick7653 - 2010/04/15 18:01:18

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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune 2010/04/15 16:56:15 (permalink)
In will no longer acknowledge any further posts about this. If you folks want to continue to discuss it fine. I give up and won't waste another minute on it. If you are a moderator please pull this post. It is getting out of hand.

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/16 10:42:42 (permalink)
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Shane,

There are definitely some tuning issues with some of the patches in Dim Pro...It's not a soundcard issue nor a sample rate issue...It's a problem with some of the samples. They're simply not tuned properly.

This problem has existed for a long time.
Hi Everyone,
 
I believe there are tuning problems because so many people have run in to it but I personally haven't. I was wondering if someone could tell me which instruments are out of tune. I'd like to hear it myself on my system.
 
Thanks,
Shane

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/16 11:01:59 (permalink)
Try any of the "real bass" samples.


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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/16 11:23:56 (permalink)
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Try any of the "real bass" samples.


especially in the lower registers....and the men's choir

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Re:Thanks for the input everybody 2010/04/25 20:43:29 (permalink)
Rick,

I know you said you were done with this but I saw it in your specs and it wasn't mentioned by anyone else, so I will.  You stated that you have "no TI chips or chip sets".  It is my understanding that those are the most reliable ones for Sonar.  Does that mean that all you have are the DiceII chips?  Everyone on here has told me to stay away from them with sonar or there might be issues, so maybe that could be a problem.  I am in no way any kind of expert and need help frequently but just thought I would throw that out there. Good luck with the dimension pro issues.....
post edited by WileE. - 2010/04/25 20:51:53
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