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Direct recording of instrument tracks?
Maybe I am old and senile, but I am struggling to understand how real time recording of soft synths is so much more exciting than the real time recording of the midi that feeds it that we have been doing for the past 25 years? Please educate an old dog:)
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 12:04:04
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 12:29:03
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Seems like it's super-important for a small number of people with specific synths, and arguably important for the rest of us who don't want to have to work out how to ensure all the relevant automation parameters are being recorded (though I'd suggest simplifying that process would be more useful).
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 13:11:55
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Let me see if this is right. When you record midi with a VST the audio is recorded with no need to bounce? I could see that if I ever do a perfect 1st take.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 13:30:05
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Let me see if this is right. When you record midi with a VST the audio is recorded with no need to bounce? I could see that if I ever do a perfect 1st take.
 Yes, but note that you have to use separate MIDI and Synth output tracks and arm whichever one (or both) you want to record. Or you can record just MIDI notes on the first pass, and then arm the audio track and record the synth output while tweaking synth parameters in the GUI. I think this latter workflow is where it will be most commonly useful.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 13:56:35
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☄ Helpfulby Kylotan 2015/09/20 07:02:34
some of the synths that ship with sonar have randomizing parameters if you record just the midi each time you bounce the audio it will be different. this is because these randomization parameters are not recorded in midi. those that record live using synths with the randomization parameters engaged never hear what we recorded when bouncing to a track.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 14:03:55
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The nice thing about this is that with VST instruments - sometimes over time - the file gets moved - or the instrument changes or something - and at least the instrument is recorded (embedded as audio) in the sonar project or bundle. (I still bundle - I am stubborn for some reason.)
Just a great thing.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 14:08:58
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That's what freeze is for, Deswind.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 16:46:29
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I don't think freeze saves the VST instrument when that instrument no longer exists on your hard drive or has been relocated. Actually having recorded the VST instrument in the track - means it is there even if you no longer own that VST instrument, relocated it or have other problems with it. Am I wrong? Does freeze store the instrument wav file in the project? John
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/19 17:41:10
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Alchemy's Performance Pad wasn't "hooked" into SONAR for recording as far as I could discover. If you used it "live" you needed to remember what pad number to set it on (it opened at 1) and what pattern you made.
Now you can record that pad performance along w/ notes. If you are into sound manipulation rather than notes, it is big deal.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/20 01:50:33
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rabeach
some of the synths that ship with sonar have randomizing parameters if you record just the midi each time you bounce the audio it will be different. this is because these randomization parameters are not recorded in midi. those that record live using synths with the randomization parameters engaged never hear what we recorded when bouncing to a track.
+1, I did a video of Z3TA+2 a year and a half ago and had to do physical loopbacks to capture the real-time tweaking done.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/20 03:50:56
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Kylotan
Seems like it's super-important for a small number of people with specific synths, and arguably important for the rest of us who don't want to have to work out how to ensure all the relevant automation parameters are being recorded (though I'd suggest simplifying that process would be more useful).
I agree. I think I will be using it a lot for recording jazz/blues organ in Kontakt. Your point that it may be especially useful to "a small number of people" is probably accurate. It does seem like that will be true for many improvements to DAWs these days since they are so mature. Similar to MS Word making improvements to the equation editor. Cheers.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/20 04:05:22
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I think this function becoming available is just a precursor to the deeper feature of assigning any track as an input, which is coming soon.
That's been wanted by much more than a minority of users.
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Re: Direct recording of instrument tracks?
2015/09/20 05:22:48
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Kylotan
Seems like it's super-important for a small number of people with specific synths, and arguably important for the rest of us who don't want to have to work out how to ensure all the relevant automation parameters are being recorded (though I'd suggest simplifying that process would be more useful).
I think it will also be a killer improvement as regards freezing synths with multiple track output (yet I have still to install Ipswich and check it out) When using Kontakt 5 with a drum set plus a few other instruments in the same K5 rack, it can add up to 20+ plus Sonar tracks being fed by one synth instance. So far when freezing the synth, all connected tracks were frozen sequentially, thus it took up to a minute per track (on a fast DAW), adding up to 15-20 minutes for the entire freeze (and sometimes K5 crashed at the end and it meant another 20 minutes) ... Now, with the new feature I hope to just arm the synth tracks and push record and "freeze" all the tracks in real-time (i.e. in parallel) by recording the synth output. EDIT: Meanwhile I have tried and run into a problem of not getting all tracks recorded, 2 tracks strangely go missing and I don't know why ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3289155)
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