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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 05:28:18
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No
We have "tv mindless mentality"
If you are gonna call me stupid, at least do it to my face.
How rude, a stereotypical, racist, elitist attitude. Not impressed.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 07:31:26
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You guys sound serious! [rstollen]
[sorry, not giving any Javascript exec rights to google-analytics, or any 3d-party site for that matter]
Hey, (lack of) irony *is* a serious matter.
A lot harder to quantify than obesity, that's true.
[BTW - Richard Pryor was *American*? Gee.]
OK substitute Peter Sellers if it makes you feel better..Gee. I guess if the UK would export a funny rock bank they'd have the export quota filled.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 09:19:09
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Fullmer said. "I was in London and, like, talking to this guy
"I'm, like, using it all the time," he said.
What I want to know is why Americans like insist on like adding needless words like like to every sentence.
 It's not all Americans, it's mainly California Americans. And usually the female variety. It's like, ya know, "Valley girl" English. Mike
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 09:24:57
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spacey
You guys sound serious!
Some quick examples that you're not absolutely correct...everybody knew Richard Prior was funny. I'll get weird and ironic both...everybody knows musicians are weird and it's ironic that they deal with time and can never keep track of it! Ok the truth part is questionable but we all know that if a politicians lips are moving...he/she is not being truthful.
With all due respect ... the majority of the work by Prior is not "ironic" ... it's very REAL. And it is my hope that one day someone will release those Redd Fox duets ... maybe when someone gets over their ideals we can hear the real thing and realize that hald the stuff that we see of Richard does not even go past his waist line! They made PC & DM look like two school boys smoking in the bathroom. I'm hoping they release that one specially discussing which of them is more black than the other! That is sorely needed today! Some comedy is all irony and disguise ... Seinfeld and what I call living room stuff ... but real comedy is rarely about irony ... and more about the "eccentric" and "reality" from the other side. The Goons are not "ironic" ... although one could easily break down a script and find a sentence or two ironic ... but that is something that is easy to do "from the outside of the story or script" ... Blackadder is not "ironic" ... except in the language of course, which is more of a take on old English and Shakespeare. The irony was more in the servant/master relationship ... but that is an "external" to the story and events, not a part of the "inner characters". Moliere made a point of working on this, and they ended up calling his stuff "haute commedie" ... A lot of American comedy is visual because of television, and they try to enhance it with gags and lines. The laugh track hurts here, because you are not used to decide if it is funny or not. IF ... big IF ... you are literate enough and well read, you will be ok and capable of deciding what is funny or not, and often tune out the laugh track. If you are not, and only read Harry Potter and Stephen King, the chance that you even might have an idea of what the word "irony" even means ... well, I leave it to your imagination! Truth is tough either way, comedy or serious. And there is a way you can tell if someone is shooting off his mouth or not ... but that is a subject that can not exactly be discussed here lest we feel that we are chasing down people for being who they think they are. Think of it this way ... people are not invisible and if they think their colors don't show, even in a post here, they are not looking at the mirror ... and seeing themselves ... and that is a judgement they have to discuss with themselves, not me! If you find irony in that, there is nothing I can help with ... to me that is just sad, not ironic.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 09:52:07
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The golfer lost his driver and all his fairway metals, so the rest of his round was very irony.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 10:04:18
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OK substitute Peter Sellers if it makes you feel better..Gee.
I guess if the UK would export a funny rock bank they'd have the export quota filled.
Don't do that Spacey ... EVerytime I quote " ... we're normal and we want our freedom ... we're normal and I dig burt weenie ..." some people get offended! And besides, what idiot would think that a comedy band would be quoting a German playwright in the first place? And a deadly serious one to boot? ... it's a lot safer being the urban spaceman I think or enjoying a rocking duck, or asking directions to the army ... but any other joke ... you and I could get in trouble ... well, unless we join the Eccles fan club, but even that could be dangerous with flying christmas puddings and shell jokes! Emotional soundtrack by Ken Thorne! (I'm really getting weird in my old age, I tell you!)
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 10:17:17
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The golfer lost his driver and all his fairway metals, so the rest of his round was very irony.
JR
This is wrong ... if he lost his metals, how could the rest of the rounds be "i'rony" ... ? Do they make gold clubs out of wood only? I think he was dux out of poop! Disqualified!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 10:40:39
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Moshkiae
Don't do that Spacey ...
Don't do that Spacey ...
OK. I'm not sure how...but you took the fun out of it for me anyway. Thinking about it....you know sometimes when you're jammin' with a bunch of musicians and having a great time and there's one that wants to analyze everything - theoritical define every lick , for whatever reason(s)and "poof" the fun's gone. Not for all surely, but just the assumption it needed to be defined for another...well that's just arrogance. Bye.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 10:47:13
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I'm not sure how...but you took the fun out of it for me anyway.
Thinking about it....you know sometimes when you're jammin' with a bunch of musicians and having a great time and there's one that wants to analyze everything - theoritical define every lick , for whatever reason(s)and "poof" the fun's gone. Not for all surely, but just the assumption it needed to be defined for another...well that's just arrogance.
Bye.
Wow ... and you are saying this to someone that talks about free form all the time ... and can analyze ... IN RETROSPECT ... but know the difference is important ... you will never meet another person that believes in flow, improvisation and experiment, any more than I do ... Ohh well ... so much for having fun! I guess you don't know the references either ... and you could ask!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 11:13:49
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If you are gonna call me stupid, at least do it to my face. How rude, a stereotypical, racist, elitist attitude. If someone said Americans were turning green and fester at the corners, lately - you'd shrug, since it's obviously a meritless statement. Someone says Americans are turning very literal-minded of late, and seem to take everything at face value, and you explode. Now why would that be, if it's utter rubbish? 'Stereotypical' is a bit silly here, since that would mean that large numbers of people are just mindlessly repeating others? 'Racist' does not apply here, either - last time I looked Americans were not 1 race. [Same goes for Muslims btw who also put that qualification on any criticism of Islam - even though Muslims are not a race, either.] So - where's your face? That post was stupid. [edit] Damn. Forgot elitist - also nonsense, since that would presuppose me being an American, and feel part of some [American] elite.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 11:23:19
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OK, now that we've got irony down, could we next address simile versus metaphor?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 11:55:53
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Moshkiae
spacey
I'm not sure how...but you took the fun out of it for me anyway.
Thinking about it....you know sometimes when you're jammin' with a bunch of musicians and having a great time and there's one that wants to analyze everything - theoritical define every lick , for whatever reason(s)and "poof" the fun's gone. Not for all surely, but just the assumption it needed to be defined for another...well that's just arrogance.
Bye.
Wow ... and you are saying this to someone that talks about free form all the time ... and can analyze ... IN RETROSPECT ... but know the difference is important ... you will never meet another person that believes in flow, improvisation and experiment, any more than I do ...
Ohh well ... so much for having fun! I guess you don't know the references either ... and you could ask!
Well yes I am Sir. I have no way of knowing the things you mention, quoted above. I merely point out that your timing to analyze took the fun out. Fun comes and goes..no worries. And after you take my lines from a post - Richard Pryor being recognizably funny by all and turn it into "With all due respect ... the majority of the work by Prior is not "ironic" ... it's very REAL" as if to be correcting me about something I didn't say nor insinuate. There is nothing I care to ask you about. Edited for clarity hopefully.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 12:43:14
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OK, now that we've got irony down, could we next address simile versus metaphor?
This thread drains my IQ like a Friday night bladder, but in the end I guess I'm just a puppet of my own flaws to continue reading it.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 12:55:33
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I'm one American who does not care for irony. But it hasn't been much of an issue for me. I just buy wrinkle-resistant clothing and take everything out of the dryer while it's still a bit damp.
Immediately hang it on a hanger and, in most cases, no irony is required.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 13:47:48
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I guess if the UK would export a funny rock bank they'd have the export quota filled. Does Spinal Tap count? wait...they were Americans acting British. Would that be ironic irony?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 22:37:54
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It's really difficult for Americans to figure out when something is funny, weird, or ironic, or someone is telling the truth. .
Not all of us!!! 
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/25 01:19:03
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Wail, I know that ifn I don't have my Sunday-go-ta -meetin shirt's all ironeyed up, they'll be all wrinkled and pruney and such and my wife, The Bear, won't let me out in public. Is that what yor talkin about??
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/25 10:45:49
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Silly. That's not what irony is. Irony is when you chop onions and you start tearing up and you get all irony. Alls you need is a kleenex, jeez louise.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/25 23:30:08
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The next logical step is take all this Irony and put it into a bessimer furnace , get it all coked up and hot , and then when it's all said and done , we could discuss wheter or not our cousins accross the pond have'nt become steelyDanOphobic.
Also , could we please replace all of these spurrious analogies with a few logical fallacies?? There so much more challanging , and , they have an entertaining way of bringing all intellectuals together in a cumbaya sort af way !
I hope you don't mind my wide and sweeping generalizations; It makes it allot faster to finish cleaning the floor.
Had enough??? want more ???
I thought not.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 03:46:31
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 07:18:43
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I can't stand me bro's across the water thinking I don't know about the irony's.... especially when our family's were friends. There were and still are many of Rony's. Here's a proof with a song about Maw Roney. I hope this makes believers of you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLito-mc7c
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 09:38:35
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proof that we understand irony:  to sell iron... is that ironic?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
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A person thinks that ironing seems very hard to do and is scared of trying (it's hot, can make unwanted creases and what if you leave it on!?!), almost phobic. After going to therapy about the issue the person gathers strength and give ironing a shot. It's a little shaky at first but after a while the person starts to get a hang of it and it goes pretty well. When all clothes are ironed the person goes to put them in the closet but forget to turn the iron off still on the ironing board. The heat from the iron makes the board catch fire and tragically the house is burnt down to the ground. Now, thats ironic! (It is not irony though, big difference!)
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 12:52:22
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(it's hot, can make unwanted creases and what if you leave it on!?!), Not forgetting that it singes the fur.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 12:54:27
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LOL, might not be the best alternative for lambswool either...
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 20:43:09
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Yet... only in the US have I seen news headlines such as these:
- Include Your Children When Baking Cookies
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Experts Say
- Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
- Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
- Teacher Strikes Idle Kids
- Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told
- Miners Refuse to Work After Death
- Stolen Painting Found by Tree
- War Dims Hope for Peace
- If Strike Isn’t Settled Quickly, It May Last a While
- Man Struck by Lightning Faces Battery Charge
- New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
- Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Space
- Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
- Local High-School Dropouts Cut in Half
- Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
It's amazing how many people don't think about what they're really saying when they speak... or write...
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/26 21:15:55
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Well, what would be ironic Mr Strummer is, if you didin't.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/27 06:54:12
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Is that some Yoda imitation?
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