HumbleNoise
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Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
I have my doubts. What do you think?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:00:23
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I think they will have a hard time not doing it. The yearly release brings in a lot of cash. To get away from that they will either need to charge more, or get a lot more customers.
That being said, I'm ok with a bit more time between releases especially if you get it right. I'm also ok with paying a bit more AGAIN, if you get it right. I'm not even ok with paying $99 for something that doesn't work for me.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:06:51
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I don't think that I'm going to be one of the early buyers again on the next go around. I waited on S8.5 and next time I will wait until a couple of patches are released and things are sorted out before I make my upgrade purchase. So I guess it won't matter as much to me.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:07:56
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Kroneborge
I think they will have a hard time not doing it. The yearly release brings in a lot of cash. To get away from that they will either need to charge more, or get a lot more customers.
That being said, I'm ok with a bit more time between releases especially if you get it right. I'm also ok with paying a bit more AGAIN, if you get it right. I'm not even ok with paying $99 for something that doesn't work for me.
+1. Actually, I'm just looking for a few more features in the future. Stability, automation lanes, and vari-speed recording and playback. Otherwise, I'm like a guy with 12,000 Snap-On tools that only uses about 20 of them.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:21:05
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sure, two month after X1 will be more or less usable by the third or fourth patch, we´ll be able to pay for beta testing X2
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:31:08
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Supercomposer
sure, two month after X1 will be more or less usable by the third or fourth patch, we´ll be able to pay for beta testing X2
Based on your last 10 posts - I'm not sure why you grace us with your Supercomposer prescence. Can you elaborate on your need to be here other than to be negative? (Or is it just me?)
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:36:12
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Supercomposer
sure, two month after X1 will be more or less usable by the third or fourth patch, we´ll be able to pay for beta testing X2
Based on your last 10 posts - I'm not sure why you grace us with your Supercomposer prescence. Can you elaborate on your need to be here other than to be negative? (Or is it just me?)
Oh right I am negative. You know what´s negative? Charging money for crashing software with half finished features.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:39:25
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Super, didn't you post that same thing about a thousand times already? How about you add something to the discussion? Do you think the Bakers will stick to their normal 1 year upgrade policy? I haven't seen it confirmed or denied. Come on man you must have an opinion. I for one am interested in it.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:43:22
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I think they shouldn't release another version until X1 is fixed, no matter how long it takes. That said, I won't be upgrading again unless they offer some kind of free upgrade to X2.
I feel so strongly about this because they broke a lot of things in 8.5.3 and I don't think it's right to have to buy another version in hopes everything will get fixed. Hopefully X1B and subsequent fixes will resolve everything.
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HumbleNoise
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:50:41
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At what point does Cake decide that X1 has been fixed, and when do they start their 'yearly upgrade timer' and what comes next? X1c? X1d? And will it be yearly from when to when? Free upgrades? For who and which version? X2? When will that come out? In a year? From when? I wonder.
I think the entire paradigm has shifted with X1 and the yearly upgrade will be a thing of the past JMHO. Producing any upgrade that doesn't meet more strict and pofessional standards may not be an option for Sonar, and that, I think will (or should) take longer than a year.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 20:55:14
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Mod Bod
I don't think that I'm going to be one of the early buyers again on the next go around. I waited on S8.5 and next time I will wait until a couple of patches are released and things are sorted out before I make my upgrade purchase. So I guess it won't matter as much to me.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 21:01:10
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HumbleNoise
At what point does Cake decide that X1 has been fixed ...
Oh, I dunno, maybe when it works as advertised? :)
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 21:03:33
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HumbleNoise
Super, didn't you post that same thing about a thousand times already? How about you add something to the discussion? Do you think the Bakers will stick to their normal 1 year upgrade policy? I haven't seen it confirmed or denied. Come on man you must have an opinion. I for one am interested in it.
Sure they will stick to that 1 year upgrade policy, simply because they need their sales every year and I doubt they would skip a year in favor to the customer. Also I do not believe they have enough beta testers so they need to push it out at some point and get the user feedback (even if this is fatal to their reputation). By the way I have not posted the same thing a thousand times, it was only fifty or sixty times.
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HumbleNoise
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 21:09:17
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Supercomposer
HumbleNoise
Super, didn't you post that same thing about a thousand times already? How about you add something to the discussion? Do you think the Bakers will stick to their normal 1 year upgrade policy? I haven't seen it confirmed or denied. Come on man you must have an opinion. I for one am interested in it.
Sure they will stick to that 1 year upgrade policy, simply because they need their sales every year and I doubt they would skip a year in favor to the customer. Also I do not believe they have enough beta testers so they need to push it out at some point and get the user feedback (even if this is fatal to their reputation).
By the way I have not posted the same thing a thousand times, it was only fifty or sixty times.
Thanks for the feedback brother. They have indeed created a cash flow model with their yearly upgrade policy but I personally don't think it's smart. I wonder if sales could be large enough to justify less frequent, more polished, more expensive releases - or maybe I'm just hoping. "By the way I have not posted the same thing a thousand times, it was only fifty or sixty times." Pretty funny dude. 
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/27 21:38:00
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They make enough in sales to go to a biyearly upgrade cycle if they choose to. The forum furry although distasteful to them hasn't had very much impact on expected sales.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 04:58:35
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might be the problem of Sonar using a VST wrapper - Since X1 which I liked for loop based music is broken, I am on Cubase 6 x64 for all projects which support VST natively and no such RAM problems occur with the listed plugins.
Perhaps Cakewalk should ditch the wrapper workaround and upgrade their SDK to VST3.5 instead of using some kind of weird wrapper technology for museum standard VST2 (and FX Teleport as "Bitbridge")... much work under the hood needs to be done, good luck CW!
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 07:36:24
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Will Cakewalk stick with it? Yes.
Will you guys stick with it? With this I have my doubts.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 07:40:36
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Supercomposer
sure, two month after X1 will be more or less usable by the third or fourth patch, we´ll be able to pay for beta testing X2
If I upgrade to X2..it might be about the second one in by then....
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 07:40:53
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They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 07:45:24
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They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
Would that make the upgrade cycle a 2--2.5 year one then? Or is it higher?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 07:52:52
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10Ten
They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
Would that make the upgrade cycle a 2--2.5 year one then? Or is it higher?
They'd have to actually repeat something for it to be a cycle, right?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 08:13:46
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10Ten
They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
Would that make the upgrade cycle a 2--2.5 year one then? Or is it higher?
They'd have to actually repeat something for it to be a cycle, right?
Weeeeellll...they do have a cycle ...of a sort....
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 08:42:01
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trimph1
10Ten
trimph1
10Ten
They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
Would that make the upgrade cycle a 2--2.5 year one then? Or is it higher?
They'd have to actually repeat something for it to be a cycle, right?
Weeeeellll...they do have a cycle ...of a sort....
But it has become a non-cyclical cycle...
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 08:51:26
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trimph1
10Ten
trimph1
10Ten
They haven't stuck with it for several years. The last version of Sonar before X1 was 8. 8.5 was just a paid bug fix with some extra stuff thrown in just as X2 will be a paid bug fix.
Would that make the upgrade cycle a 2--2.5 year one then? Or is it higher?
They'd have to actually repeat something for it to be a cycle, right?
Weeeeellll...they do have a cycle ...of a sort....
But it has become a non-cyclical cycle...
I'm kind of wondering if one could even call it that.... 
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 13:33:34
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Perhaps Cakewalk should ditch the wrapper workaround and upgrade their SDK to VST3.5 instead of using some kind of weird wrapper technology for museum standard VST2 (and FX Teleport as "Bitbridge")... much work under the hood needs to be done, good luck CW!
+1, though i fear that'd be a lot of changes, maybe a kludge too far: look what "upgrading" the gui just did  were they to fiddle with the innermost secrets of the ancient codebase who knows what unearthly powers might be unleashed?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 13:38:28
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HumbleNoise
I have my doubts. What do you think?
I think Mooch owes me an apology.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 13:42:08
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I wonder how much quicker X1b would have arrived if they weren't (rather obviously) working on X2 at the same time?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 13:47:25
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SteveStrummerUK
I wonder how much quicker X1b would have arrived if they weren't (rather obviously) working on X2 at the same time?
Maybe that's why I don't have an apology from Mooch? He's working on the next apology he will owe me?
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 15:43:25
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I think he did apologize. Due to "features" in the forum software, however, the message was a little garbled. I wasn't aware he was a Nigerian prince. He said to tell you that he needs you to wire some money to an account in the Cayman Islands in order to receive the rest of the apology.
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Re:Do You Think the Yearly Sonar Upgrade Cycle Will be Something the Bakers Stick to?
2011/02/28 15:48:33
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UbiquitousBubba
I think he did apologize. Due to "features" in the forum software, however, the message was a little garbled. I wasn't aware he was a Nigerian prince. He said to tell you that he needs you to wire some money to an account in the Cayman Islands in order to receive the rest of the apology.
did you provide him with your bank account numbers, SSN and Power of Attorney?
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