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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/28 21:27:44 (permalink)
Sort of a catch22 for me. I find myself being able to test almost every feature now as it is released. Because of the fact that there is only one or two at a time for me to digest, I probably spend more time testing features than I used to, and less time creating music. Or perhaps more time in general at the computer.
However, now that I'm better acquainted with the features, I find I can do things quicker, and with more confidence that I'm using said features to the best of my ability.
I too feel that I'm rolling the dice with every upgrade, and cross fingers, toes and anything else every time I update. I do, however, update my laptop first and check to see if there are any major downsides before I update the main computer, and I feel this helps make the process easier.
Overall, I feel ok about the way updates are gradually implemented, and so far have confidence in the update process.
The one and only time I had a glitch with an update, with the help of forum members here, and Cakewalk support, I was able to find a solution to the issue and be on my way.
This leads me to the fact that one of the better things about cakewalk is their level of support and the friendliness/helpfulness of the Cakewalk users.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/28 22:01:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BRuys 2015/10/28 22:21:24
I do not see how any intelligent human being can honestly argue with the current system... You don't like to update monthly??? Don't!!!  You worry about bugs???  Wait awhile... You want something new?  Lobby for it in the Suggestions forum and you might see it in a month or two...You wanna get things immediately??? Download and deal...You too overwhelmed with all the things you can do that are new??? REALLY??? Friggin' unbelievable, especially when you can ignore them.
 
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I'm on the side of flexibility, rapid response, constant error checking, and the excitement of anticipating and the amazement of the unexpected.  I spend as much time as I desire on keeping track of and trying out new features; many, like the much lauded drum replacer I've totally ignored...Someday I may think back and say, "wtf were you thinking... this is amazing!~!!!!!" but I just don't care at the moment...and I am happy for all those who find this truly amazing.   Now the midi/audio recording... WOW!!! I've been all over that... totally changed things for me in setting things up and playing around...Aux tracks??? I'll get to it...
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/28 22:11:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/10/29 00:00:05
I just update when I see a feature that I "must have" or if there is a bug fix I really need.  This equates to updating every few months and as a result, I am not overwhelmed at all.  The choice is always yours to make, so there is really no need to follow the monthly update schedule if you would rather sit stable for months at a time.
 
Much has been made of the hassle of having to update.  I am at a complete loss to understand that, because most of the time, the only reason to update is to get something new you need/want.  If you choose not to update, you are effectively on the old model - problem solved.
 
If too much choice or too many updates are the only thing people have to moan about, we must be in very good shape.
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/28 22:17:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/10/28 23:59:56
I will surely renew my membership in January . . . not because of such shiny new features like Mix Recall, Drum Replacer, Vocal Sync, Windows 10 compatibility, VST upsampling on playback, onscreen keyboard controller, new start screen, Mastering FX chains, Project Templates, numerous content offerings (sorry Craig) . . .
 
 . . . but because of all the core enhancements to the Cakewalk software like ARA,  Midi engine improvements, virtual instrument streaming improvements, audio engine improvements, CPU power savings, PRV and Staff view improvements, new Control Bar, Sonar Forum upgrade, Prochannel FX rack, Recycling plugin windows, Audio Export/ Import improvements, improvements in VST third-party compatibility, Direct synth recording, Patch points. . .
. . . these are where the real cake is . . . everything else is just  . . . well, too much sugar for me, things I haven't found a use for in my workflow.
 
Always wondering what's coming out of the oven next with these monthly updates, but clearly there are lot of things Cakewalk are doing that I don't need, though I have much admiration for what they have done in terms of stability and general usability, that I really enjoy supporting them always moving ahead with the product. 

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 02:19:25 (permalink)
As I said, I'm simply going to update less frequently because it is more comfortable that way for my workflow. With the old system, I could leave X2 in place while running/testing X3. If they found a way to do that it'd solve all my "issues". Which really aren't issues at all, I just replied to the question "are you overwhelmed by the frequent updates". Maybe "overwhelmed" is a bit strong but I've been remodeling my home and for a while it seemed like every time I got to sit at my DAW there was a new update, even though I hadn't even really been able to check out the older one.
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 02:33:09 (permalink)
I generally install each version as its released. There was one where I delayed until I had researched all the complaints. As often is the case, the complaints seem to fall into the categories of user error, system specific or not show stoppers.

I have confidence in the release program that Cakewalk has in place and I'm comforted by the rollback feature. Really, an installation and rollback takes literally minutes only, so there's no drama. The biggest advantage I have is that I'm not the paranoid type who expects there to be a problem.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 06:12:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BRuys 2015/10/29 18:31:56
Personally, I've never felt overwhelmed with the monthly update system as I regard innovation as a major plus point, especially as new features are commonly accompanied by core program improvements.

I guess I'm used to the idea, as my other 'couldn't do without' software (Unity3D)  is updated regularly via a 1.6GB download. These updates often include significant scripting changes, requiring the user to recompile existing projects or make manual amendments to custom classes.

I don't view these updates as a problem as I always end up with an improved creative platform. In fact, I look forward to them :-)
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 06:35:34 (permalink)
I don't use many of the updates so I just ignore them.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 08:05:57 (permalink)
I am overwhelmed by how good the damned subscription is!

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 09:01:06 (permalink)
Very interesting, often solutions and features can breed problems and difficulties.  Since 99% of my work is client based, I am far less likely to upgrade my production systems since I typically have 5 to 7 client projects in motion at a time.  Therefore I upgrade on my test system and work through all of the things described above without the risk of my projects or precious time being lost.  My production system gets the upgrade when it makes sense.  I don't focus on a time window for upgrading the production system, it is based on client project deadlines.  Since 2003 the least number of simultaneous client projects I have been working on is 3 - for some of you, remove the word client and just think 'important' projects. So based on the delivery dates and key post production schedules of those projects, my production workstation will get stable and well tested upgrades. 
 
We could all go VM with test and production.  I suspect in development that's what the dev team is doing.  I think about that environment every year.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 15:16:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kev999 2015/10/29 15:58:35
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I don't have the same amount of studio time every month and personally really dislike the multitude of updates. I have to add that I also have a slew of third party software and sometimes it feels like every time I work I have to update a ton of stuff first. I can obviously skip one or two but that only postpones the problem.



This. I religiously update every month, but have no time to actually write music lately, so I become overwhelmed with installed features I'm not aware of, and hadn't had a chance to learn. I couldn't even begin to tell you what's been installed over the last 6 months. The monthly updates, in my mind, take away from studio productivity for those of us who have other full-time jobs and who get to spend precious little time writing. I liked the previous annual setup where there was a set, single new feature list. While I appreciate the effort that goes into providing these monthly updates, I can't help but think it's not sustainable in the long term, and there is a certain amount of potential for frustrated users as we are always in a state of beta (see current problems, introduced with JP, with many AIR instruments). And just rolling back all new features to solve 1 problem is not a suitable resolution.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 15:28:39 (permalink)
I am in the always looking for updates in CCC category. I think this new model of releases is great. I probably do not use the program to its fullest, but I am loving it. I try to test the new features when they come out, but only a few sticks with me (I am a creature of habit). But I am getting to grips with some of the new features (Vocal Sync is my new favorite), and know there are much more available if I should need it. And it has been very stable on my part, beside some user errors
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 15:38:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2015/10/29 16:14:24
Why are people updating so often if it's a burden??!!! It is completely unnecessary if you are able to work with what you have.
 
Here is the way to go about it if that is the issue...
 
Whenever it is convenient or you are curious as to what's been up go through and read the monthly eZines to check out all the new stuff that's been coming down the pipe. They are PDFs so you can either read them from your browser or download them (like I do) to read wherever at your leisure (like on your phone/tablet while taking a dump... they ain't that long).
 
If you see something you like or see a bug fix in a version that pertains to you do a couple forum/google searches to see if there are any issues that may pertain to you in that version. Most of the problems we've had this year are rather minor and very specific to certain setups.
 
The Bakers recently (well it's been a few months now) made it so ALL the update downloads that have come out while you have an active membership are available at any time. So after you've decided there is an update you are interested in (after reading the eZine and forum reviews) just go to your account (or open the CCC if you have it installed) and download that version. I'd personally recommend creating a Windows restore point so you can easily go back (but if you have CCC I'm told you can rollback easily from there) then install the update.
 
It's pretty easy and painless. I get it though for those who aren't malingering around here all the time like some of us are which is why I'm saying this.
 
Check the eZines + create restore point + install ONLY what interests you = a pretty awesome experience
 
I do get it though. We've been trained to ALWAYS be updated to the latest and greatest and it IS a massive pain in the balls when you've got stuff to do. It's just not necessary with this system. It's really quite laid back and casual if you want it to be.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 17:59:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby lingyai 2015/10/30 02:01:43
My preference would be a quarterly feature update with bug fixes during the other months.  Mixing new features with bug fixes every month means we may never get a clean, or at least almost clean, version.  I do understand this will never happen for marketing reasons as long as CW uses a monthly payment model.   
 
Thanks for asking OP.
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 18:03:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/10/29 18:18:04
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My preference would be a quarterly feature update with bug fixes during the other months.  Mixing new features with bug fixes every month means we may never get a clean, or at least almost clean, version.  I do understand this will never happen for marketing reasons as long as CW uses a monthly payment model.   
 
Thanks for asking OP.


Could not agree more, this should happen for common sense reasons IMHO.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 18:04:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/10/29 18:18:09
I think the "problem" is that previously there was a fixed feature set update and then a bunch of patches for issues whereas now they always come mixed together. I may want patches but no new features (which often introduce issues). I'm left wondering whether what I'm using is the most fail-safe option or whether I should update. Even disregarding new features. I have no statistics to back this up. It's just a feeling I'm left with from the current method and my personal solution is just to update less often unless I really run into a crippling bug or see a new feature I really want.
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 18:38:26 (permalink)
Not to belabor the issue or be argumentative but from what I've seen most of the new stuff has been separate downloads (aside from the initial release with the Control Bar, FX Racks, PRV stuff). Drum Replacer was separate as have been other items. The new aux track stuff really couldn't be separate because they are baked in.
 
If you look through the releases really most of the core downloads really were bug fixes and enhancements. The flash and dash were kind of side dish/separate downloads.
 
Really though I think if we were getting the types of bugs that X1, X2 and even X3 introduced over the year then it would be a problem but really if we take the most up to date/patched version of X3(e) as a metric for bugginess/stability it was actually more fudged up and problematic than pretty much all the Sonar 2015 releases.
 
And you were STUCK with those bugs once Cake decided to stop working on a version (which was what led to me howling like a baboon once they bailed on X2).
 
Basically if even a couple of the Sonar 2015 releases ended up less useable than X3e was then I could see it being an issue but that has not been the case so far. I was concerned about that as well and the new delivery method required a LOT of trust on our end (a commodity I in short supply of) but so far the Bakers have held up tot heir end of the bargain.
 
Some users, with specific setups, have gotten temporarily burned on a release or two but they were outliers and had the rollback option and/or usually got a fix rather promptly.
 
It comes down to are we experiencing MORE or LESS showstopping bugs than we were before? I'd say, from personaly experience, FAR less and at least now when those things do come up there is a good chance it'll get sorted out whereas before you were simply stuck for a year until the next release which may or may not correct the issue.
 
I don't think that's a naive or overly forgiving assessment of the situation. If it sucked I would say so.
 
Anyway... if anyone is having problems just report them so the Bakers at least have an opportunity to correct the issue. Not just for you but for everyone else having the same problems.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 18:40:54 (permalink)
To the best of my awareness, all along since the beginning of Cakewalk time, they have combined fixes and features - both the semi-annually and the current monthly approach did this.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 18:49:11 (permalink)
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It comes down to are we experiencing MORE or LESS showstopping bugs than we were before? I'd say, from personaly experience, FAR less and at least now when those things do come up there is a good chance it'll get sorted out whereas before you were simply stuck for a year until the next release which may or may not correct the issue.


Pretty much every time there is major functionality introduced we see major bugs. The good news is they get fixed by the next month or earlier (well mostly). So it's better than X3E.

The olde bugs however are really still taking too long to get resolved and I sometimes wonder if they will ever be resolved. When Platinum was first released it looked like they were on the right track and 'on it', I'm not so sure now. New functionality is clearly taking up a lot of their time.

Is it better .. Yes.. Is the situation right now perfect... Hell no. We are still having to cope with a moving target.

I still feel Sonar is going through a transition phase with it's development cycles so right now I'm cutting them slack. By second quarter 2016 though I hope to see some BIG improvements with existing functionality. If we get another load of bolted on features and no big changes with EXISTING core program and stability/workflow for the better by then I guess I will review my renewal situation.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/29 19:03:35

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 19:11:14 (permalink)
I like the updates so far.  I just upgraded to Platinum from X3 Producer a couple of months ago.  I don't use everything that has changed very often since I am usually just recording guitars, bass and vocals (with drum loops).  The stuff I am using most of the time hasn't changed so dramatically it causes any issues.  So far the updates have made things easier for me. 

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 19:55:45 (permalink)
I am overwhelmed.
In the old days I'd wait until most folks said a patch was stable, then download and work in peace for a year. And my previous version would still be there if needs be.
 
No longer.
 
Now all I read is new features with new bugs and I never know when to commit.
 
Downloads here take 2-4 hours depending whats new and assuming no breaks.
If I could at least install Jamaica Plain and keep Hopkinton (which seems stable on my machine right now) but this is not possible as far as I can tell.
post edited by jpetersen - 2015/10/29 20:28:01
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 20:32:49 (permalink)
I've mentioned this before, but I almost never sit down to expressly learn or test a new feature. I always install the updates, as there's more or less always some bug fixes worth having. And I and make a mental note of what new features have been added, but other than that, I just get on with what I'm doing. I only start to mess with new features when I actually need them.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 20:43:46 (permalink)
I'm still on X3 , that is in part due to needing a more robust Windows computer ….
Some of the updates the bakers have rolled out I'm very interested in for sure ….
I will cross that bridge when I go from an i 3 to an i7 …
There ain't no shame in my game using X3 for now and I have no intention of boot camping either of my other non windows computers …
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/29 23:14:20 (permalink)
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Some users, with specific setups, have gotten temporarily burned on a release or two but they were outliers and had the rollback option and/or usually got a fix rather promptly.
 



You make some good point Beepster.  I wonder, however, if most users are "outliers" in some way or another; not just because we are musicians and music producers, but also based on our use of Sonar, our non-CW VST instruments, hardware, Windows version and other software/add-ins.  In addition to this there are now at least two overlapping, but somewhat distinct camps: (1) old school recording studio and (2) newer, electronic-based (call it what you may).  It must be a nightmare for CW to live and work in this environment and they are to be congratulated for their tenacity and capability.  The Apple/Logic model must be so much more peaceful (and expensive).
 
This is why I have suggested Quarterly updates, to give the post-release Beta testers time to find the bugs.
 
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 05:21:09 (permalink)
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I am overwhelmed.
In the old days I'd wait until most folks said a patch was stable, then download and work in peace for a year. And my previous version would still be there if needs be.
 
No longer.
 
Now all I read is new features with new bugs and I never know when to commit.
 
Downloads here take 2-4 hours depending whats new and assuming no breaks.
If I could at least install Jamaica Plain and keep Hopkinton (which seems stable on my machine right now) but this is not possible as far as I can tell.


We're not forced to update every month. If you want, you can wait a year before  you update
You can always roll back to another version if a new one causes trouble for you. Just rightclick on Sonar in Command center and choose the version you want to roll back to.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 05:38:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/10/30 08:35:37
I'm not overwhelmed.
 
I learn new features as and when they become desirable to my workflow.
 
If I could at least install Jamaica Plain and keep Hopkinton (which seems stable on my machine right now) but this is not possible as far as I can tell.

 
Of course you can - this is what the rollback feature is for. Assuming you update every month (like most of us) you can rollback at any point to any version. Takes seconds.

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 08:14:28 (permalink)
Imho, the monthly releases are better than the annual releases.

I'm wondering what sonar power will do to keep up. :-)

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 08:40:49 (permalink)
Yeah, haven't heard from Scott for a while.
 
This must be having an affect on his output surely?

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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 09:47:50 (permalink)
Monthly updates do not bring too many features to be overwhelmed with. On the contrary, I can easily imagine being a different DAW user and coveting for the same amount of very useful updates as Sonar user have. Not to mention included instruments and plugins, excellent tech support, great tip and tricks from expert users like Mr. Anderton, and the list goes on, you name it...
All that helps Sonar stand out among other DAWs. So I would never, even in a worst nightmare, say "No, stop it, it's enough!"
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Re: Do the Sonar Platinum users feel overwhelmed with all of the updates? 2015/10/30 10:07:27 (permalink)
I am sufficiently whelmed. Neither under or over......

 
 
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