bapu

Moshkiae


Hi,

I might not take Bapu as seriously, but it does not make it invalid or not important. Sometimes, even in his sick humor, he says things that are very with it ... 

So I Am akin to the 100 monkeys and typewriters in the room?

More like 100 hot-buttered giraffes playing Twister in a room.

More like...

Back in Design 101 I made a complimentary color twister game for an "installation".

It was like twister... but with complimentary colors.

So Blue meant Orange, Red meant Green etc.

Well done.

mike_mccue

bapu

mike_mccue


Back in Design 101 I made a complimentary color twister game for an "installation".

It was like twister... but with complimentary colors.

So Blue meant Orange, Red meant Green etc.

That's a little Avant-Garde for my tastes.

The ensuing confusion provided more time for the magnetism to take effect. ;-)

So in this case, it was all about the displaying, not the creating?

mike_mccue


I had my eyes closed.

As always, true to your beliefs.

SteveStrummerUK


Pork is not a verb
Bart Simpson

Second best post EVER!!!!

mike_mccue


But chicken is?

Can I get back to you on that?

SteveStrummerUK

bapu

SteveStrummerUK


Pork is not a verb
Bart Simpson

Second best post EVER!!!!

 
Only 'second' best?
 
 

Can you do better'n daryl's arse?

mike_mccue

...
It's possible that Mr Hemingway was part of a generation that was having to learn ways to adjust to the rapidly changing expectations of an audience. Expectations that were influenced by the proliferation of easy access to content.
...

 
I'm not sure that most scholars look at things quite that way ... we don't do that here and when we try, we get banged around by people that know music better than any comentary!
 
The other one that will probably surprise you, is a different one whose perspactive defines the "artist" much more than it does a hero ... because for ME, the definition of a hero is a social "tool" and ruse to get everyone to follow that person's ideals, and not something that most of us are interested in, specially after the days of the Internet, which has done one wonderful thing the world over ... kill heroes in search of ideals, and more to come, including dictatorships and other places where people do not have a voice!
 
My dad did several translations of works by Hemingway into Portuguese. The by-product of that was that one certain man showed up more than once in Lisbon for a friendly discussion and free dinner (probably) ... and there was an incident in there that pretty much explains Hemingway to me more than anything else ... something that you and I and folks here might want to learn from, but it is an inner strength that most do not have or are capable of standing up for ... one part of the discussion was about some introduction and the editors and my father commented that the editors would not like that ... and Hemingway said ... "****'em!".
 
I'm not sure that this is important in this discussion or not, but you can see the streak of independence in the work of Hemingway, and in general, editors, just like the music business and anything else ... always want more of the same ... and Erney said ... no way Jose and if you don't like it ... take a hike, I'll go somewhere else!
 
I really think in the end, you have to do that. On top of it you have to be strong enough to say it and live it.
 
Yes, that is a strong streak for a "hero", except that we don't always look at artists as "heroes", even in music ... so John Lennon is not a hero, Jim Morrison is not a hero, Janis Joplin is not a hero, Jerry Garcia is not a hero, Amy Whitehouse is not a hero ... but I would consider Woodie Guthrie a hero and he probably would have told you he wasn't even a musician, though a lot of people know he sand and wrote songs, that none of us have ever heard!
 

mike_mccue


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I happen to disagree with Mr. Hemmingway. I think any post modernist is comfortable with the idea that it's ok to repeat what has been done before.
...

 
Mike, a true artist, will almost always tell you that they do notknow how to repeat themselves. And this is the reason why a Picasso, or another Klaus Schulze, or another Vangelis, can ever exist again, because you (as an audience) are demanding the repetition part, which is not what their work is about at all.
 
This is my favorite separation for what is considered "commercial music" and the rest. Klaus you can not duplicate, but you can live through it really well, even though it is different. But your suggestion is that the public has the right to ask the artist what to do ... and somewhere along the way, that is not going to jive. We do NOT want to be replicants! (You saw the movie, look up the number!). We are who we are, and that's that!
 
I have anissue with this ... you can not be an artist if you are not ... yourself ... instead of a social image/imaginary ideal. At that point you are just another painter or pop songster, not necessarily an artist, and someone whose intent is on the fame or the money ... which is a totally alterior motive than everyone else that you want to discuss.
 

mike_mccue
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That's why I like process art... I can play the Blues a million times. Or I can paint a landscape. I can enjoy doing that simply for the experience of doing it, and that's ok... cause everything else is a figment of something that happens else where any way. I don't want to splatter my personal take on art all over the forum. My OP was meant to be more specific than that.

 
This is really good ... for folks like me. I think that almost all the learning is in the process, not in the result. But everyone will jump you and immediately say ... you'll never have a hit! ... and I can easily say ... I don't want a hit and I am not interested in a hit or your conditional idea for a piece of music --- to make a hit! ---
 
Art process, these days, does not have as much freedom as the ones that we woke up with in the 50's, 60's and part of the 70's. Since then, it has been a vicious downgrade and kill by the media of all of those arts and the appreciation is lacking and the misunderstandings are worse. So ITCOTKC is a massive progressive album, but no one has ever heard the lyrics and realize what an outstanding statement that whole album was aobut the time and place and the wars, and loud meaningless music, and the person that was into this and that and had no idea what it was about in the first place! But it's "progressive" because of odd rhythms and jagged guitar and some other **** explanation that the sophomore in the music department can break apart in 5 minutes as stupid and bizarre and totally off center, like Stranvinsky or Bartok or Ravel never had those elements in their music!
 
At this time, and programs like the majority of these DAW's, at this time, are not capable of breaking out of the "formula" pattern. I find it bizarre when another DAW comes out and someone says that it is "intuitive" and this and that and how this effect or that effect will change the course of music out there ... it's an esoteric effect that almost no one will even know how to use! It's advertising to make you think it's better than it really is or a different color than the other box out there!
 
The bottom line is that the "advertising" hurts the artist, and kills the hero. Nowadays, my cynical stand is that the media creates heroes, so we can throw stones at them later to kill them and make sure their life is finished!
 
What a great cynical novel that would have made for Hemingway! 

Moshkiae

mike_mccue

...
It's possible that Mr Hemingway was part of a generation that was having to learn ways to adjust to the rapidly changing expectations of an audience. Expectations that were influenced by the proliferation of easy access to content.
...

 
I'm not sure that most scholars look at things quite that way ... we don't do that here and when we try, we get banged around by people that know music better than any comentary!
 
The other one that will probably surprise you, is a different one whose perspactive defines the "artist" much more than it does a hero ... because for ME, the definition of a hero is a social "tool" and ruse to get everyone to follow that person's ideals, and not something that most of us are interested in, specially after the days of the Internet, which has done one wonderful thing the world over ... kill heroes in search of ideals, and more to come, including dictatorships and other places where people do not have a voice!
 
My dad did several translations of works by Hemingway into Portuguese. The by-product of that was that one certain man showed up more than once in Lisbon for a friendly discussion and free dinner (probably) ... and there was an incident in there that pretty much explains Hemingway to me more than anything else ... something that you and I and folks here might want to learn from, but it is an inner strength that most do not have or are capable of standing up for ... one part of the discussion was about some introduction and the editors and my father commented that the editors would not like that ... and Hemingway said ... "****'em!".
 
I'm not sure that this is important in this discussion or not, but you can see the streak of independence in the work of Hemingway, and in general, editors, just like the music business and anything else ... always want more of the same ... and Erney said ... no way Jose and if you don't like it ... take a hike, I'll go somewhere else!
 
I really think in the end, you have to do that. On top of it you have to be strong enough to say it and live it.
 
Yes, that is a strong streak for a "hero", except that we don't always look at artists as "heroes", even in music ... so John Lennon is not a hero, Jim Morrison is not a hero, Janis Joplin is not a hero, Jerry Garcia is not a hero, Amy Whitehouse is not a hero ... but I would consider Woodie Guthrie a hero and he probably would have told you he wasn't even a musician, though a lot of people know he sand and wrote songs, that none of us have ever heard!
 

mike_mccue

...
I happen to disagree with Mr. Hemmingway. I think any post modernist is comfortable with the idea that it's ok to repeat what has been done before.
...

 
Mike, a true artist, will almost always tell you that they do notknow how to repeat themselves. And this is the reason why a Picasso, or another Klaus Schulze, or another Vangelis, can ever exist again, because you (as an audience) are demanding the repetition part, which is not what their work is about at all.
 
This is my favorite separation for what is considered "commercial music" and the rest. Klaus you can not duplicate, but you can live through it really well, even though it is different. But your suggestion is that the public has the right to ask the artist what to do ... and somewhere along the way, that is not going to jive. We do NOT want to be replicants! (You saw the movie, look up the number!). We are who we are, and that's that!
 
I have anissue with this ... you can not be an artist if you are not ... yourself ... instead of a social image/imaginary ideal. At that point you are just another painter or pop songster, not necessarily an artist, and someone whose intent is on the fame or the money ... which is a totally alterior motive than everyone else that you want to discuss.
 

mike_mccue}
...
That's why I like process art... I can play the Blues a million times. Or I can paint a landscape. I can enjoy doing that simply for the experience of doing it, and that's ok... cause everything else is a figment of something that happens else where any way. I don't want to splatter my personal take on art all over the forum. My OP was meant to be more specific than that.

  This is really good ... for folks like me. I think that almost all the learning is in the process, not in the result. But everyone will jump you and immediately say ... you'll never have a hit! ... and I can easily say ... I don't want a hit and I am not interested in a hit or your conditional idea for a piece of music --- to make a hit! ---

Art process, these days, does not have as much freedom as the ones that we woke up with in the 50's, 60's and part of the 70's. Since then, it has been a vicious downgrade and kill by the media of all of those arts and the appreciation is lacking and the misunderstandings are worse. So ITCOTKC is a massive progressive album, but no one has ever heard the lyrics and realize what an outstanding statement that whole album was aobut the time and place and the wars, and loud meaningless music, and the person that was into this and that and had no idea what it was about in the first place! But it's "progressive" because of odd rhythms and jagged guitar and some other **** explanation that the sophomore in the music department can break apart in 5 minutes as stupid and bizarre and totally off center, like Stranvinsky or Bartok or Ravel never had those elements in their music!

At this time, and programs like the majority of these DAW's, at this time, are not capable of breaking out of the "formula" pattern. I find it bizarre when another DAW comes out and someone says that it is "intuitive" and this and that and how this effect or that effect will change the course of music out there ... it's an esoteric effect that almost no one will even know how to use! It's advertising to make you think it's better than it really is or a different color than the other box out there!
 
The bottom line is that the "advertising" hurts the artist, and kills the hero. Nowadays, my cynical stand is that the media creates heroes, so we can throw stones at them later to kill them and make sure their life is finished!
 
What a great cynical novel that would have made for Hemingway!

Remind me again... WTF is a <red flag>"true"</red flag> artist?

mike_mccue

Remind me again... WTF is a <red flag>"true"</red flag> artist?

A true artist is someone who can make p*rnography without being p*rnographic, while not conspiring to make either art or p*rnography in the process.

"I think I may be the only man on the planet with a renewed interest in Hemingway, a writer I had dismissed, because his studio smelled like cat piss."

--Marc Maron

http://www.wtfpod.com/dis...ntries/charming_gritty

Pork the other white meat?