Anderton

southpaw3473
That's the "scene" idea but I always found it extremely handy. It doesn't seem that the new Mix Recall does that.

True - it's for saving mixes, not individual snapshots within mixes.
 
However...I create my final mix by bouncing within SONAR rather than exporting or whatever. That way I can render different mixes and cut/paste the parts I want to change. In your examples, I'd render the chorus section and drop that into the final two-track. This may sound kludgy but it's surprisingly effective. There have been many times I've rendered a few different mixes and ended up taking parts from some of them to create the final mix. Used to do the same thing with splicing tape when the multitrack ended up going to the two-track 

I like that idea. Kind of sounds like old school tape slicing of various mixdowns.
 
I'd imagine one could produce similar results in the same project using busses, sends and automation though. That would however require planning.

The idea of scene recall is that it's automated as well. During playback (or bouncing) when it comes to a part in the song where there is a scene change everything switches at that point.

Anderton

southpaw3473
That's the "scene" idea but I always found it extremely handy. It doesn't seem that the new Mix Recall does that.

True - it's for saving mixes, not individual snapshots within mixes.
 
However...I create my final mix by bouncing within SONAR rather than exporting or whatever. That way I can render different mixes and cut/paste the parts I want to change. In your examples, I'd render the chorus section and drop that into the final two-track. This may sound kludgy but it's surprisingly effective. There have been many times I've rendered a few different mixes and ended up taking parts from some of them to create the final mix. Used to do the same thing with splicing tape when the multitrack ended up going to the two-track 

 
Craig, could you explain what you mean by bouncing within Sonar? I've been up all night with a sick kid and my mind is not working well! ):

Beepster
And I know you already know this Baps but others may not... MixRecall allows you to export all your snapshots in one go. That way if you want to see how each mix will sound on other systems or send them off for other people to evaluate so they can choose the best it's a one shot deal. Pretty slick.

 How do you do this? I looked into it and it was not obvious. So I haven't done it yet. Are there instructions on this?

Sylvan

Beepster
And I know you already know this Baps but others may not... MixRecall allows you to export all your snapshots in one go. That way if you want to see how each mix will sound on other systems or send them off for other people to evaluate so they can choose the best it's a one shot deal. Pretty slick.

How do you do this? I looked into it and it was not obvious. So I haven't done it yet. Are there instructions on this?

I don't own it yet but I'm guessing it would be in the File > Export dialog.
 
Anyone who owns it who can check this out?
 
Cheers.

At some point, perhaps MixRecall could include envelopes and Automation. The old AW4416 I have has separate Mix Recall function as well as Automation Recall functions.

brconflict
At some point, perhaps MixRecall could include envelopes and Automation. The old AW4416 I have has separate Mix Recall function as well as Automation Recall functions.

It does see http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Mixing.48.html# about 2/3rds down the page

Ah, I see it. I feel stupid now. It was around 4:00am when I started to look into it. I should have seen it but in my sleep deprived state, I missed it. Thank you. This is a freaken great feature!

He means bouncing the entire mix to a new stereo track within the same project as opposed to exporting to a wav file. Well it is still exporting to a wav but it pops up in the new track instead of on let's say your desktop or wherever you save you exports to.




How do you do that again?

Mix recall can do a ton of stuff besides recalling mix values.
It however is not designed to save and recall audio and MIDI data. i.e. anything that is clip related is ignored as part of the recall. It would be extremely confusing and weird to have it remove actual clips data on tracks and potentially lead to data loss since Mix recall is not undoable.
 
One very useful thing it can be used for is saving and restoring complex track and bus level settings, effects and synth settings. Its all described in the help here:
http://www.cakewalk.com/D...p;help=Mixing.47.html#

Well I guess if you've never used something like the 01v you might have no clue what we are talking about here.
 Back in the days when my music was coming from an Atari driving midi sound modules and the audio from an 8 track. The 01v was this amazing tool, ( still is) 
It was slick because the Atari midi could control the 01v and automate the faders. It would recall whole mixes including the 2 effects plus the 4 Aux sends. Your whole mixdown was automated and saved. And this could be shared between songs. 
To much bass on  all the songs , recall the mix and add a little more hi pass. 
If you recorded a band and had 12 songs, each song had a ready made template with the recalls. I was hoping that the mix recall was sort of the same thing but I guess that's asking to much. It's still only possible using outboard digital mixers. I guess a DAW mixer is basic and limited. 
 
It's mostly needed when you record 12 songs at a session which are all sort of the same and end up using a lot of the same settings and effects on all the songs. I know some of you don't fathom this as most people are just working on their own stuff song by song, but there is work to be had recording bands out there. I don't think any DAW has a 01v mode at this point. Seems the real studios all still use real mixing consoles. Digital and analog. I kick myself for not buying the ADAT card for the 01v. 
 

Seth  Kellogg Say's regarding mix recall to be shared between projects: 
"Right now it's per-project, but that feature is not too outrageous to hope for. . . *cough*" 
 
Awesome!  I hope they get my Cactus Music account working by Wednesday.  
Thanks Steve, so far It's been though reading all these darn threads and misleading info abounds. 
 
 
 

Sanderxpander
Select all, "Tracks" menu (arrange view), "bounce to track(s)"?

Not too sure what that means. What is "arrange view?"

Mixing:  taking ALL THE DATA and....get ready for it.... MIXING IT!!!!          
Not changing it, editing it, duplicating it, adding to it, rerouting it.... all of which result in a different song...
 
Mixing:  tweaking how it (THE DATA) sounds... eq, fades, prochannel settings, levels, etc... such things will RADICALLY change how your song sounds... and being able to rapidly flip between various mixes is amazing...
 
I think the mistake or disfunctional understanding is that many musicians these days just tweak away randomly, mixing, adding some data, subtracting, etc... and thus the concept of mixing THE DATA has become cloudy...
 
When Spitfire Audio introduced HansZimmer Drums one of the features everyone was excited about is that they had several famous "studio mixing professionals" at different locations.... wait for it.... MIX
the audio they'd captured of the mega drum sessions...  no one modified the actual data set (in our case, the song) but the results were totally different because of the unique mixing bent of the varous people...Sonar now lets us do this without saving versions of a song... which is fantastic.
 
 
Being able to export mixing packages to changed versions of a song would  be great though...or maybe this is possible (been busy) although I can see some issues... mix templates????  It does get confusing keeping possibilities straight!
 
 

Vastman
Mixing:  taking ALL THE DATA and....get ready for it.... MIXING IT!!!!          
Not changing it, editing it, duplicating it, adding to it, rerouting it.... all of which result in a different song...
 
Mixing:  tweaking how it (THE DATA) sounds... eq, fades, prochannel settings, levels, etc... such things will RADICALLY change how your song sounds... and being able to rapidly flip between various mixes is amazing...
 
I think the mistake or disfunctional understanding is that many musicians these days just tweak away randomly, mixing, adding some data, subtracting, etc... and thus the concept of mixing THE DATA has become cloudy...
 
When Spitfire Audio introduced HansZimmer Drums one of the features everyone was excited about is that they had several famous "studio mixing professionals" at different locations.... wait for it.... MIX
the audio they'd captured of the mega drum sessions...  no one modified the actual data set (in our case, the song) but the results were totally different because of the unique mixing bent of the varous people...Sonar now lets us do this without saving versions of a song... which is fantastic.
 
 
Being able to export mixing packages to changed versions of a song would  be great though...or maybe this is possible (been busy) although I can see some issues... mix templates????  It does get confusing keeping possibilities straight!
 
 

 Thanks for shouting but buses don't affect the core DATA that was recorded and are simply a routing mechanism that allows you to change the MIX
 
How on earth does routing tracks to bus structure make a recording a different song as you described?