Does Sonar X1 come with any kind of Drum SYNTHESIZER?

Try TTS 1.

gcolbert


Have you looked at the Sonar percussion strip video?

I thought the PX-64 Percussion Strip was just a tool to enhance the sound of existing drums? Like an effects tool for existing drums?


Or is there in fact a way to create and design drum sounds pureful from scratch using, say, a midi track?

Lanceindastudio


I would probably look at getting Battey by NI-
Also, you can always just put drum samples in sonar and use plugins to alter them...
Maybe V-Vocal to pitch them if needed- (modulate?)

Yes, Native Instrument's Battery 3 is definitely a great drum maker. However, I was specifically seeing if something was already included in Sonar X1 Producer.


If I'm going to pay $400 for Cakewalk's flagship DAW software, I would want there to be an easier way to create drum sounds than having to use samplers and then going through the trouble of gathering several plug-ins, instruments, and whatever else to get the drum sound I want from the sampled drum sound.


Don't get me wrong - Session Drummer 3 definitely seems like a great tool, and I'm sure it has some great sounding drum kits. But what I'm looking for is the ability to actually design and manipulate the drum sounds rather than relying on the sounds that already exist. For a company known for making Synth's with such range of sound-designing capabilities (i.e. Rapture, Z3Ta+) I would've expect something similar for creating drum sounds as well...

If I'm going to pay $400 for Cakewalk's flagship DAW software, I would want there to be an easier way to create drum sounds than having to use samplers and then going through the trouble of gathering several plug-ins, instruments, and whatever else to get the drum sound I want from the sampled drum sound.

 
And I would like it to make me a good cup of coffee.
 
If you can program drums from analog, and choose to do it that way - then you are looking in the wrong place.

Stone House Studios

If I'm going to pay $400 for Cakewalk's flagship DAW software, I would want there to be an easier way to create drum sounds than having to use samplers and then going through the trouble of gathering several plug-ins, instruments, and whatever else to get the drum sound I want from the sampled drum sound.

 
And I would like it to make me a good cup of coffee.
 
If you can program drums from analog, and choose to do it that way - then you are looking in the wrong place.

Maybe it's just me, but I think what I mentioned was not asking too much.


I mean look at Cakewalk. They've got Rapture. They've got Z3Ta+. I just finished not too long ago drooling over the amazing sounds the newly released Z3Ta+2 is capable of, the sharp and crisp leads that it can produce.


But what. They expect us to mix those sharp and crisp leads with an acoustic Pearl drum kit?


Again, I'm not dissing Session Drummer 3 and I know it can make great drum sounds. I also know it has electronic drum kits as well, with classic 808 and others. But without designability, it's hard to use even that. Especially when you want a deep, phat, thumpy kick for your dance/trance mixes.

It just seems like Cakewalk would offer something to design and synthesize drum sounds with, for people to use alongside the awesome synthesizers they offer. And I was kind of dissapointed that they in fact don't?

Rain


$400 for a great audio + midi sequencer, bundled with dozens of effects, synths, loops and samples. Not that bad, IMHO. 

There are soft synths which cost almost as much as the whole Sonar package out there.  

The truth is that if something like drums is crucial for you, you'll probably want to invest in a third party solution. That's what a lot of folks do for sampled drums - they use EZ Drummer, Superior Drummer, Steven Slate Drums, BFD, etc... And that also what the drumsynth guys do. 

Sonar covers the basic - quite well, and as well as most of the other software packages out there.  

If you want typical drumsynths, load the included Groovesynth and you'll get all those 909, 808, CR78 etc...  

If these don't work for you and you're a hardcore drumsynth programmer, as SHS mentioned above, you're looking at the wrong package - you want a full fledged drumsynth, not a sequencer. 

Just to clarify, I actually don't know if Sonar X1 includes something that would fit me because I don't own it yet (waiting for X1C). I'm just asking and actually trying to find out if it does or not, hoping that there is.

I thought the PX-64 Percussion Strip was just a tool to enhance the sound of existing drums? Like an effects tool for existing drums?

 
It is, but you can do some amazing things with this plugin (VST)

mattox82


Check out AudioDamange Tatoo mate or Image-Line Drumaxx both are killer.

Drumaxx is pretty cool... also DrumSynth Live from the same company... Simpler than Drumaxx but then again only $35! (well worth it at that price, IMO).
 
http://www.image-line.com/documents/drumsynth.html
 
There are some drumsynth freebies out there if you have a look on kvraudio.com or similar site.

If you opt for Sonar and wish to add a dedicated drum synth, you might want to check out Microtonic. Amazing little plug. 
http://soniccharge.com/microtonic

Once again why don't they give us "ALL" the effects and instruments that came with Project 5.  Project 5 had the NPulse drum synth, the velocity drum sampler, a proper sampler and the spektral transformer effect.

Why????

Peace

YES..
 
if you want to start from scratch then its a subtractive synth.. Its called Z3Ta

 
 
vaultwit

 
Does it have oscillators to create and design sounds from scratch? If it did, that'd be precisely what I'm looking for.

For synthesising percussion sounds from scratch, Waldorf Attack is a pretty good (well, I think so at any rate) dedicated drum synth (it's part of the Waldorf Edition CD).

It uses samples for some things (e.g. hats, cymbals) but you can also use the oscillators if you're after a more analogue-type sound, and has the right kinds of oscillators/FM to synthesize drums/percussion. Like all things Waldorf it's a little bit buggy but nothing that's a deal-breaker.

D16's Drumazon and Nepheton are decent 909/808 emulators with more facilities than the originals.

For hardware alternatives, there's the (analogue) Vermona rack module or the Jomox Mbase and M-Brane monophonic synths (multi-track them) or, with less control per sound, the MFB range of "traditional" 808/909 style drum synths. The MFB synths are very cheap (as hardware synths go) and look a bit home-made but can make some very good sounding drum lines.

They're not "synthesis from scratch", but Korg's Wavedrums are also worth looking at.

I cant recall any DAW having bundled a drum synthesizer.

For purely electronic music this is my go to:
μTonic

****shhhh dont tell anyone else, its a secret weapon, let them all fiddle with D16 stuff****

PS: You did ask about drum synthesizer didnt ya? Because many people's suggestions were plain drum samplers not synthesizers (like Battery)

PS2: of course if you are asking what you can do with the bundled stuff, ANY synthesizer that comes bundled with Sonar is ten times more powerfull than a drum synth so why dont ya just design drum sounds with a synth? Does it really have to say "Drum" in its name? An oscillator and a white noise generator with a couple of filters and ADSR envelopes is all you need! ;)

thegeek


I cant recall any DAW having bundled a drum synthesizer.

For purely electronic music this is my go to:
μTonic

****shhhh dont tell anyone else, its a secret weapon, let them all fiddle with D16 stuff****

PS: You did ask about drum synthesizer didnt ya? Because many people's suggestions were plain drum samplers not synthesizers (like Battery)

PS2: of course if you are asking what you can do with the bundled stuff, ANY synthesizer that comes bundled with Sonar is ten times more powerfull than a drum synth so why dont ya just design drum sounds with a synth? Does it really have to say "Drum" in its name? An oscillator and a white noise generator with a couple of filters and ADSR envelopes is all you need! ;)

I agree with almost all of what is said here, but I do think Battery has powerful enough features to alter the built in or your own samples to such a degree as to almost be considered a drum synthesiser?

Is the Project 5 LE that came with one of my previous versions of Sonar worth taking the time to install? I never used it so I don't know if it might be useful to me or not.
 
J

thegeek

Lemonboy

I agree with almost all of what is said here, but I do think Battery has powerful enough features to alter the built in or your own samples to such a degree as to almost be considered a drum synthesiser?

Nope, its a very powerful drum sampler, or more precisely a very powerful drum orientated sampler. ;) Perhaps the difference is easier for me to grasp, since "synthesize" is a greek word.

Can I point out I do understand the basic difference between a synthesiser and a sampler hence my inclusion of "almost" !!!!  Although you could argue that a wavetable synthesisers is described as a synth but is a bit of both.  My point was the the OP wanted to manipulate the sounds and that is something that Battery can do to get the sounds he described.