Does anyone have a solution for this ...?

This is  not new to X1 but it's annoying regardless.

Sonar seems to have a mind of its own as to "where" a plugin's GUI gets displayed.

I have a dual monitor setup.    If I bring up a synth plugin GUI (via any means available), it is totally random as to where it shows up.

Sometimes on the 2nd monitor.  Sometimes on the primary.  Sometimes somewhere in the middle.   No rhyme or reason.

Even if I move the GUI to where I want it, close it, and reopen it, 3 out of 5 times it will become a random placement again.

Does anyone have any idea how to stop that?

Thanks.

ba_midi

Does anyone have any idea how to stop that?

Thanks.

Ya see ... this is why I get in trouble here Billy. Why do you have to set me up for a one liner like comeback like that?

PedalPoint


Perhaps the window placement for plug-ins in Sonar is computed by a random number generator...?

But to be serious for a moment, I think the idea is that plug-ins always opens up at the same place as the last plug-in you closed, if that makes sense. Doesn't matter what kind of plug-in it is. And since we rarely need to remember where the previous plug-in was when we closed it, it can perhaps seem random. You could check if that's happening to you.

Nope - sorry that's not it.   I mean 'random'.    If I work on the same plugin in a spot, then close its GUI and reopen it a few moments later - it may or MAY NOT show up at the same place.

It's not fun when you're dug in deep editing/tweaking/recording, etc.

Bub

ba_midi

Does anyone have any idea how to stop that?

Thanks.

Ya see ... this is why I get in trouble here Billy. Why do you have to set me up for a one liner like comeback like that?

Bub  - just go with it lol

Milamber


Billy,

By any chance do you run SONAR maximized across your multi-monitor setup?  I also have had this issue but was able to get around it by selecting the <Restore> option on the main window, then resizing the main window across the monitors...I re-size it to cover my work area.  Then I can either run the child windows maximized or size them to fit within the main window wherever I want them.  When I add any plug to SONAR at that point I can change the location of the Plug UI to anywhere I want and it reopens in the exact same place.  This works for me any way.  The file UI's always open in the same location (i.e. center of the screen) regardless of where I last positioned which in my experience is normal for most standardized windows apps (ha, ha).  When a window is maximized the button you are looking for is in the top right of the window and when highlighted is called "Restore Down".

Hope that helps...(oh, by the way I am running 8.5.3)

Thanks, but I don't run it that way.  I like 'separate' monitoring rather than stretched across.

What is maddening is when you're trying to get something done quickly -- this random placement changes the groove.  Especially if ones eyes are focused and expecting the gui to open where you last opoened it or thereabouts.

But thanks for the reply anyway.

PedalPoint

ba_midi

PedalPoint


Perhaps the window placement for plug-ins in Sonar is computed by a random number generator...?

But to be serious for a moment, I think the idea is that plug-ins always opens up at the same place as the last plug-in you closed, if that makes sense. Doesn't matter what kind of plug-in it is. And since we rarely need to remember where the previous plug-in was when we closed it, it can perhaps seem random. You could check if that's happening to you.

Nope - sorry that's not it.   I mean 'random'.    If I work on the same plugin in a spot, then close its GUI and reopen it a few moments later - it may or MAY NOT show up at the same place.

It's not fun when you're dug in deep editing/tweaking/recording, etc.

Hmm, that's odd. I don't think that's supposed to happen. It doesn't happen to me, at least. For me Sonar remembers the position when I close a plug-in and displays the next plug-in I open in the same spot. It doesn't remember the position of each individual plug-in, but at least it always remembers the position of the last plug-in I closed, whatever that was. If I open up several plug-ins in a row they will therefore always open up on top of each other, so it isn't random.

Hope you figure out why this happens to you. I can imagine it must be very annoying.

Here's the weird thing.  I always keep my synth plugins open on the primary monitor (left) since that's where I'll be doing most of my tweaks to the tracks and plugins.

So when they open up on the 2nd monitor (without my intervention), it's a total surprise at that moment and takes a second to figure out "where it is".

Sigh.

Well, thanks for your input regardless.

Hey Billy, what I notice is a plug in or synth GUI will open at the last place a synth or plug in GUI was last closed. meaning if I have plug in A open in the second monitor off screen, open a new plug in (plug in B) move it to the first monitor, close plug in A, open new plug in ( C) C plug in will open where A was. now close plug in B, now open new plug in ( D) that one will open where  plugin "B" was.

at least that is the pattern I see, a new plug will open where the last one was closed (by hitting the X)

HTH

Tom

Saintom


Hey Billy, what I notice is a plug in or synth GUI will open at the last place a synth or plug in GUI was last closed. meaning if I have plug in A open in the second monitor off screen, open a new plug in (plug in B) move it to the first monitor, close plug in A, open new plug in ( C) C plug in will open where A was. now close plug in B, now open new plug in ( D) that one will open where  plugin "B" was.

at least that is the pattern I see, a new plug will open where the last one was closed (by hitting the X)

HTH

Tom

Hiya Tom.

Yes - NORMALLY that is what happens.  But not always.  Most important is that I never open a plugin on my 2nd monitor -- so how does it end up there?

Like I said, it's quite random.

Glad ya brought it up Billy,
I was wondering this myself but thought my situation with different size monitors was what was causing it.  Its more of an annoyance to me. Im running a 21" and a 40".

ba_midi

mudgel


It must be something to do with your graphics card and or drivers because whatever I open and close opens in that same spot the next time I open it. Whether its a program window or a plugin GUI. Only notification boxes open in the middle of the two screens.

Ha, this is the 3rd graphics card in 6 months.  But this problem has existed in multiple versions of Sonar for me.   It turns out the last 2 graphics card were fine - and I had VNC on my DAW that caused X1 (initial release) to burp.  But that's been solved long ago.

So I doubt it's the graphics card. BTW, 2 of the graphics cards were different vendors - so that rules that out too.

Yeh, Intital screen (for a lack of terms) stays normal but secondary screen Multidocks, screensets ... or plugs seem to change size and move around between the second or between both screens.

Hey digi,

nice screens!
I notice you have a couple of Roland DS8 monitors, as do I. you're not supposed yo have them on their sides according to the manual- they weren't made for that...

FastBikerBoy


Is it related to mouse position maybe? In that it opens the window x,y pixels from it?

I can't say I've noticed it but then I'm sure that wherever it was last opened is where it reappears. Not sure about initial opening though. I'll take a bit more notice from now on and see what I find.

Karl, I wish it was that simple.
 
As I've said, I never put my synth plugins (or any) on the 2nd monitor.  I reserve the 2nd monitor for other things.
 
So when I bring up a plugin GUI and it shows up on the 2nd monitor, that's not from my doing so or x,y positions.
 
HOWEVER, one thing that dawns on me that MAY play a role here:
 
I keep an audio analyzer (which will be either Nugen's Visualizer or Voxengo's SPAN) as the last fx plugin on my master bus.  I also keep the GUI for whichever one I use in a project open at all times on the 2nd monitor as well as the Synth Rack (browser tab) there.
 
So I'm wondering if it's because Span or Visualizer are "always open" there that causes Sonar to randomly open other plugins on that 2nd monitor.
 
That's the only explanation I can think of at the moment.  BUT if that's so, it still seems wrong to me and of course it still creates an annoyance when it happens.
 
 

I was wondering this myself but thought my situation with different size monitors was what was causing it. Its more of an annoyance to me. Im running a 21" and a 40".

 
Digi,  nice pic of the setup :)
 
 
Hmm, I doubt different size monitors could cause this, but who knows for sure.
 
As I replied to Karl, I DO keep some of my master bus analyzer(s) open on a 2nd monitor, and I wonder if that can cause it.
I see we also both keep the Console view on the 2nd monitor.  So there might be some relationship there to this issue.
 
 

FastBikerBoy

ba_midi




HOWEVER, one thing that dawns on me that MAY play a role here:

I keep an audio analyzer (which will be either Nugen's Visualizer or Voxengo's SPAN) as the last fx plugin on my master bus.  I also keep the GUI for whichever one I use in a project open at all times on the 2nd monitor as well as the Synth Rack (browser tab) there.

So I'm wondering if it's because Span or Visualizer are "always open" there that causes Sonar to randomly open other plugins on that 2nd monitor.

That's the only explanation I can think of at the moment.  BUT if that's so, it still seems wrong to me and of course it still creates an annoyance when it happens.

I doubt that's it because I also have Voxengo SPAN on my master buss and the interface is usually open in my multidock (on second monitor) and my plugins don't usually open there.

Having said that I probably don't take a lot of notice where they do open, so they may well do and I'm just too slow to notice. I'll keep an eye on what happens in my set up in future.

When I'm under pressure (time / deadline), this is one of those things that can make me wanna punch a pillow LOL
 
 

FastBikerBoy

When I'm under pressure (time / deadline), this is one of those things that can make me wanna punch a pillow LOL

I usually end up crying into mine.

No wonder I'm bald - years of tearing my hair out with frustration.

It's a cruel world