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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:22:10
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Yes I just did this. A second instance of TTS-1 for the bass. Works fine.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:29:31
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I have not dealt with drum maps and the data from the DR880.
Would this allow separation of instruments (like in SD3) or is this a different function?
Wish I knew that. I would have thought that you could do that with the midi sequencer. But, i was not able to get that to work either.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:34:48
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From what little I researched so far, it seems to be mainly for labeling the existing instruments for ease of editing once you have the midi data in the PRV.
But I'm not seeing an ability to create trax yet so not seeing the advantage.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:35:11
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Hmm... it's not perfect. The drums played via ez are not the same as they are played native on the 880.
Guessing that is where the mapping comes into play... Yes?
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:36:13
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If the MIDI is using channels (2 for bass 10 for drum) you only need on instance of TTS-1. Set the second channel on the TTS-1 to a bass. Channel 10 is always set for drums.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:40:08
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From what little I researched so far, it seems to be mainly for labeling the existing instruments for ease of editing once you have the midi data in the PRV.
But I'm not seeing an ability to create trax yet so not seeing the advantage.
I told EZ Drummer to create separate tracks when it opened up. I got all the tracks but the midi was only applied to the first ez drummer track that was created.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:42:01
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If the MIDI is using channels (2 for bass 10 for drum) you only need on instance of TTS-1. Set the second channel on the TTS-1 to a bass. Channel 10 is always set for drums.
What is TTS-1? is that something that comes with the purchased version of X2 Producer? (mine arrives on Thursday)
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:42:36
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Hmm... it's not perfect. The drums played via ez are not the same as they are played native on the 880.
Guessing that is where the mapping comes into play... Yes?
I don't think mapping will help with that. The samples on the 880 are it's own and are not transferable. If you want those sounds you will have to record them as audio. The sounds (samples) you get from the various softsynths are replacing the 880 (samples) sounds. IOW the soft synths are simply using the midi data generated by the 880 pattern. The good part is there are a lot of sample options in the softsynths and they are easy to change.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:49:27
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A drum map may help. EZDrummer is not a GM Drum synth.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:49:28
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If the MIDI is using channels (2 for bass 10 for drum) you only need on instance of TTS-1. Set the second channel on the TTS-1 to a bass. Channel 10 is always set for drums.
What is TTS-1?
is that something that comes with the purchased version of X2 Producer?
(mine arrives on Thursday)
Yes. Its a GM synth. It has 16 channels. Which gives you 16 different instruments. Each channel can playback its own patch. Its modeled on the Roland Sound Canvas.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:53:27
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Just a thought, If the DR880 has a USB connection, Does your computer recognise it as a storage device?? Like, do you see it in My Computer?
If so you might be able to just go in there and find the folders with the MIDI loops..
Most "automated" keyboards and drum machines do not output the internal sequenced patterns via MIDI, I'm surprised that worked. .
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2013/02/19 22:56:37
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From what little I researched so far, it seems to be mainly for labeling the existing instruments for ease of editing once you have the midi data in the PRV.
But I'm not seeing an ability to create trax yet so not seeing the advantage.
I told EZ Drummer to create separate tracks when it opened up. I got all the tracks but the midi was only applied to the first ez drummer track that was created.
I don't have EZ Drummer but it should have a mixer or some way to route the drums to their own audio outs. Example in BFD2 you have a drum set loaded and all the drums as a default will output to the master out of BDF2. In the mixer view of BDF2 at the bottom of each drum it has an output widget not unlike in Sonar. There is where you can set each drum to its own audio track. I'll bet EZ Drummer has something very much like that.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:56:59
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I don't think mapping will help with that.
The samples on the 880 are it's own and are not transferable.
If you want those sounds you will have to record them as audio.
The sounds (samples) you get from the various softsynths are replacing the 880 (samples) sounds.
IOW the soft synths are simply using the midi data generated by the 880 pattern.
The good part is there are a lot of sample options in the softsynths and they are easy to change.
Ok, so I'm a bit confused. I don't necessarily want the drums to sound the same. In fact, that's why purchased ez drummer, so I could have different "sounding" drums What I'm trying to do is this: When the 880 kick is played, the EZ Drummer kick is played. When the 880 snare is played, the EZ Drummer snare is played When the 880 tom is played, the EZ Drummer tom is played When the 880 cymbal is crashed, the EZ Drummer cymbal is crashed And in the proper sequence. Is what I'm trying to say making sense? Even thought the midi is coming across, the EZ Drummer does not seem to be interpreting it correctly and throwing in different tom tom patterns and cymbal crashes.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:00:01
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Just a thought, If the DR880 has a USB connection, Does your computer recognise it as a storage device?? Like, do you see it in My Computer?
Most "automated" keyboards and drum machines do not output the internal sequenced patterns via MIDI, I'm surprised that worked. . Nope, computer does not see it as a storage device. Not listed in explorer anyway.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:00:52
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That is why you need a Drum Map to map the MIDI the DR-880 is sending to the proper notes for EZDrummer. It might be easier to start with a pre-made map. There are several SONAR Drum Maps available in the public download area on the Toontrack site.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:02:18
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From what little I researched so far, it seems to be mainly for labeling the existing instruments for ease of editing once you have the midi data in the PRV.
But I'm not seeing an ability to create trax yet so not seeing the advantage.
I told EZ Drummer to create separate tracks when it opened up. I got all the tracks but the midi was only applied to the first ez drummer track that was created.
I don't have EZ Drummer but it should have a mixer or some way to route the drums to their own audio outs. Example in BFD2 you have a drum set loaded and all the drums as a default will output to the master out of BDF2. In the mixer view of BDF2 at the bottom of each drum it has an output widget not unlike in Sonar. There is where you can set each drum to its own audio track. I'll bet EZ Drummer has something very much like that.
Maybe super package does but just got the basic Ez Drummer kit. It does have a mixer but it does not look like you can route things. The Super package has a LOT more features. Rather slick looking. I almost upgraded to that yesterday but I'm eyeballing a different audio interface right now. Either the VS-100 or the Octa-Capture.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:04:07
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That is why you need a Drum Map to map the MIDI the DR-880 is sending to the proper notes for EZDrummer. It might be easier to start with a pre-made map. There are several SONAR Drum Maps available in the public download area on the Toontrack site.
Ok, off on the hunt I go! I had a feeling that's what I was missing.... Really appreciate all your time guys!!! Being new to this can be overwhelming. I've never done anything with MIDI before.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:04:36
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M_Glenn_M
I don't think mapping will help with that.
The samples on the 880 are it's own and are not transferable.
If you want those sounds you will have to record them as audio.
The sounds (samples) you get from the various softsynths are replacing the 880 (samples) sounds.
IOW the soft synths are simply using the midi data generated by the 880 pattern.
The good part is there are a lot of sample options in the softsynths and they are easy to change.
Ok, so I'm a bit confused. I don't necessarily want the drums to sound the same. In fact, that's why purchased ez drummer, so I could have different "sounding" drums
What I'm trying to do is this:
When the 880 kick is played, the EZ Drummer kick is played.
When the 880 snare is played, the EZ Drummer snare is played
When the 880 tom is played, the EZ Drummer tom is played
When the 880 cymbal is crashed, the EZ Drummer cymbal is crashed
And in the proper sequence. Is what I'm trying to say making sense?
Even thought the midi is coming across, the EZ Drummer does not seem to be interpreting it correctly and throwing in different tom tom patterns and cymbal crashes.
Scook is correct. You may need to load or create a drum map for EZ Drummer. There may be ones already made that you can download. Or it might create its own. BFD2 does. One big reason to use a drum map is when you want to edit the MIDI to match the drum set you are using. This is not a problem with GM MIDI going to a GM synth. It is needed when using a non GM drum synth. Most VSTis are not General MIDI.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:11:42
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EZDrummer can route each track in the EZDrummer mixer to a different audio output. The easiest way to do this is make sure to check the "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo" in the SONAR "Insert Soft Synth Options Dialog" when inserting EZDrummer. Then in the EZDrummer mixer right-click on one of the output assignments and select Multichannel.
Just one more tip, when you get this all figured out and setup the way you want it. Select all the EZDrummer tracks (audio and midi), the Drum Bus you send the EZDrummer audio tracks to and save it as a track template. That will let you setup EZDrummer in future projects by inserting the template rather than going through the config again.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:13:23
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From what little I researched so far, it seems to be mainly for labeling the existing instruments for ease of editing once you have the midi data in the PRV.
But I'm not seeing an ability to create trax yet so not seeing the advantage.
I told EZ Drummer to create separate tracks when it opened up. I got all the tracks but the midi was only applied to the first ez drummer track that was created.
I don't have EZ Drummer but it should have a mixer or some way to route the drums to their own audio outs. Example in BFD2 you have a drum set loaded and all the drums as a default will output to the master out of BDF2. In the mixer view of BDF2 at the bottom of each drum it has an output widget not unlike in Sonar. There is where you can set each drum to its own audio track. I'll bet EZ Drummer has something very much like that.
Maybe super package does but just got the basic Ez Drummer kit. It does have a mixer but it does not look like you can route things. The Super package has a LOT more features. Rather slick looking. I almost upgraded to that yesterday but I'm eyeballing a different audio interface right now. Either the VS-100 or the Octa-Capture.
I was just looking at the picture of the EZ Drummer mixer and it can be routed as I said. There are three rows at the bottom. At the very bottom is the name of the kit piece just above that is the output. Click on that to route that drum to where you want it.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:15:30
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His scook, yes, I was able to get individual tracks made for EZDrummer. However, the midi track reading the DR880 midi coming in was not routing the mdi to those individual EZDrummer tracks.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:21:31
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Just one more thing, you can control the amount of mic bleed using the switches at the top of the mixer. These give you even more control when breaking out each audio track.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:30:22
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His scook, yes, I was able to get individual tracks made for EZDrummer. However, the midi track reading the DR880 midi coming in was not routing the mdi to those individual EZDrummer tracks.
Thats not the way it works. MIDI wont route anything as far as audio is concerned. That is up to the synth.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:31:19
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You need the proper MIDI map and all the EZDrummer audio inputs need to be set to the appropriate EZDrummer audio output. The proper SONAR routing happens if you insert EZDrummer and select the following options in the SONAR "Insert Soft Synth Options" Dialog
Midi Source
Synth Track Folder
All Synth Audio Ouputs: Stereo
If you insert the synth using those options and configure the EZDrummer mixer to multichannel, you should be able to play the drums with your mouse to verify the setup. The next piece of the puzzle is to get the DR-880 MIDI mapped properly.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 23:36:21
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Yeah, the DR-880 reads like all hardware stuff. Fortunately, you do not need to read or understand any of that to use it for what we are talking about. That stuff can be fun to play with and you might want to spend some time to wrap your head around it as a programming exercise, if you like that kind of thing. Happily all you need to make sure is that you can record the DR-880 MIDI into SONAR (which you have done), that that MIDI is mapped to the correct instrument in EZDrummer (yet to do with a drum map) and the audio output of EZDrummer is going to the correct tracks in SONAR (yet to do via SONAR/EZDrummer setup).
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
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@ Redbarchetta....Very nice my friend...I think you are first person I have actually helped solve their issue! Glad it worked out and you could follow what I was trying to say. Each time I have respoonded here I was either working, like right now, or about to fall asleep so I wasn't as clear as I could have been. Anyways, I hope all goes a bit more smoothly with the DR880...I have spent quote abit of time like you have trying to get it to do what I wanted, as well. It's a fun unit and makes building drums pretty easy...cheers and good luck! David
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Try creating a custom kit. I did for my Dr880 and Yamaha Edrums. I use Superior Drummer, but EZD is similar.
Each drum midi note corresponds to each kit piece.
C1 might be kick
D1 Snare
C2 Rack tom 1
etc.
When you highlight a kit piece in EZD, look at the corresponding note. Click on the drum kit piece. Assign the note you want. For example if your kick is on C2, Set it to C1. Click the kick and see if the sound is what you want. Do that for all toms, cymbals etc. You can save that as your own custom kit in EZD.
If you can find a map for it, that's easier. I didn't see any maps for Sonar when I went through this.
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2013/02/20 18:31:55
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I did not have a problem with SD3 recognizing all the separate 880 instruments once I set up the mixer.
It just wouldn't recognize the bass.
So I copied the track and used the TTS-1 synth for the bass and just killed the volume on the drums.
I have yet to use a drum map as I haven't figured out the value other than for naming tracks. there must be a good reason for it tho.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
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M-Glen...make sure you have Input Echo enabled on your bass track and that you have your drums output through SD3...make two separate tracks one for bass using the TTS1 with the input set to channel 2... set it's audio output to the TTS1 output 1\2 output. Set the input of your SD3 MIDI track to channel 10 and it's output to SD3...set the output ( or outputs if you have each drum on separate tracks)to whatever you main outs are or whatever buss you are using...check out the video at Sonar University...BIG help for me and I am sure it will help you... http://cakewalk.com/CakeT.SONARU.aspx/Master-Class Hope this helps and wasn't too confusing......I am half asleep so I think I need to crash...good luck!
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