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Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
Hey all, is it possible to get a midi signal from my Boss DR-880 into my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra Midi input, then USB into my computer and have Sonar X2 see that as a midi signal? I'm trying to send a midi drum pattern though but when I arm the midi track, it's not seeing any signal.
For the input I chose Fast Track Ultra - MIDI in... But not getting anything. Mind you, I'm very knew to Sonar so I could be user error and I don't have something setup correctly.
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:03:06
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Make sure you have enabled the midi device. I have a FTU and it works fine.
Under P = Preferences > Midi > Devices... check the boxes next to the FTU's input and output then click APPLY (do apply rather than OK... not sure why).
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:06:00
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First off, does windows see the MIDI device? It needs to see it before sonar can see it, so look in the lower right corner and if you see a little piano icon light up when you press any key on your midi device, then windows see's it and then you just need to set it up in sonar
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:07:39
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Hi gswitz,
Went to preferences and it was already checked.
If I put this signal in as an audio track, i get a signal just fine.
Also, not sure if this is the issue or not but I'm currently using the X2 demo version. Not sure if midi recording is disabled for the demo version or not.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:14:00
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Are you using a sift synth to make sounds form the MIDI signal? MIdi is just data, it contains no sounds. Insert a soft synth to produce sounds from the midi. Read the tutorials on soft synths to get you familiar with them
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:19:49
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Hi CJay...
Not applying any kind of synth to it. It's just a drum rhythm from the the DR-880. As far as midi indicator? I see it down there, but it does not look to be "light up" but it does display. If I hover over it I get a tool tip that says "MIDI Input/Output" activity.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:20:42
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Ok... Let's try basics... Right click in track view and add a midi track... select the input as omni if it isn't.... with the focus on that track, touch your key board... does the level bounce? You won't hear anything yet because you haven't routed the signal to anything but the line level should bounce.... After that... it's a matter of routing the output of the track to the software synth of your choice... On that software synth, make sure you pick a program... Sometimes I get confused when I add a new synth and can't hear it... It's possible to route the midi signal to a synth without a loaded program... the result is silence... So, open the synth and load a program... Now... when you hit a key... the sound should route to the midi synth and you should hear output.... I usually use "Insert Soft Synth" and follow the directions in the help file... Insert Soft Synth Tutorial
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:22:34
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Hi CJay...
Not applying any kind of synth to it. It's just a drum rhythm from the the DR-880. As far as midi indicator? Then your not reocridng MIDI. If its a drum sound, then its audio. MIODi is just data. It has no sound to it. This is why you do not see any midi activity
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 11:51:55
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redbarchetta
Hey all, is it possible to get a midi signal from my Boss DR-880 into my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra Midi input, then USB into my computer and have Sonar X2 see that as a midi signal? I'm trying to send a midi drum pattern though but when I arm the midi track, it's not seeing any signal.
For the input I chose Fast Track Ultra - MIDI in... But not getting anything. Mind you, I'm very knew to Sonar so I could be user error and I don't have something setup correctly.
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Yes it is possible. I wouldn't use the M Audio as the MIDI port for it though. It has USB of its own and that is the way I would go if I didn't have a dedicated MIDI port to plug it into. I would have the audio out going to the M audio and the MIDI out going via USB to Sonar. You will need to add that device to Sonar via Preferences/MIDI devices. In Sonar add a MIDI track and set its input to the DR 880. Arm that track and hit record and hit play on the DR 880. You should be recording the MIDI data into Sonar.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 12:24:30
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I agree with John, you don't need the M Audio. I have done it USB direct with my DR880 several times now. I've been using the TTS-1 for the synth for it. You might have to set up the midi and USB inside the DR880 under Edit/Midi/settings and Edit/USB/Mode/Midi. Another thing to watch is the USB connection seems fragile so doesn't work sometimes. The answer in my case was to secure the connection with a bit of velcro.
post edited by M_Glenn_M - 2013/02/17 12:32:48
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 12:37:36
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Hi all, thanks for the info.
The problem was, I didn't have the DR-880 drivers installed. Recently formatted my hard drive and simply didn't re-install after the OS install.
So, onto another question then. I'm getting my MIDI input now, I can see the MIDI data in the MIDI track after recording.
Can I record a MIDI session (as I just did) and then apply my Ez Drummer software onto that? I've been poking around but not seeing anything that looks obvious on how to do it.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 12:53:01
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Yes, if you capture the Midi notes on a Midi track, whether by playing through a keyboard or capturing a pattern or series of hits from the DR-880, you can then play back those Midi notes through another external sound module, or through any internal VST software. One thing you might want to try is to insert a soft synth, like the TTS-1 mentioned above. Then you can either copy your Midi notes to that track or observe the settings on the TTS-1 track and set up your track with the Midi notes to have the same settings (either way works). Just to test it out. Not saying you would want to use the TTS-1 (even though it has a good standard drum sound), but at least you'd get familiar with the method before moving to the EZ Drummer.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 13:01:18
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I would not use the TTS-1 for anything if I had alternatives and there are many.
You have EZ drummer use that. Simply goto the MIDI track where you have the MIDI data from your DR 880 and set the output to the input of EZ Drummer.
Its that simple.
BTW The only reason to use TTS-1 is if you load a SMF and want to hear it and you don't have a Sound Canvas. Its quick and simple but don't judge the sound you get as being what MIDI can do.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 13:15:50
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John
You have EZ drummer use that. Simply goto the MIDI track where you have the MIDI data from your DR 880 and set the output to the input of EZ Drummer.
Its that simple.
Hmmm not that simple, tried it, not working. So, I'm doing as was suggested and going through the documentation on soft synth. Greatly appreciate the help everyone.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 13:52:35
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You have a MIDI track with MIDI data in it right? You have loaded EZ Drummer via the synth rack via the Browser right? You have loaded a drum set into EZ Drummer right?
The MIDI track via the track inspector will have at its bottom an output widget. It should list EZ Drummer as an input if you click on it. Select that and hit play. You should hear the drums from EZ Drummer.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 14:14:14
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Hi John, yes, that is what I had. At least it would appear so. At any rate, I deleted all tracks, setup ez drums, told it to make a new track for each midi input. That gave me a bunch of new tracks, I then created a new midi track and recorded. That seemed to work. However, I still need to figure out how to apply ez drums to an existing midi data.
But, for now I'm good... Baby steps. :)
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/17 15:25:33
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You just assign the out mut of the midi data into ez drummer .... They re right ... It is that simple
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 07:21:22
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+1 to John a few others here...I have a DR880 and it is set up exactly as they describe...works pretty flawlessly.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 07:25:00
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Also...make sure you have the esttings for MIDI correct on your DR...thre are 3 options that effect how it performs...check it out in the manual, as it describes the differences in the options pretty well..
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 10:37:42
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Hi Frosty
I did go back and read up more in my manual. Eventually I got two tracks of midi. Not the full individual tracks like I was hoping. Also, I noticed that when I applied the Ez Drummer kit on top of the midi, it didn't match up well. I was getting extra notes that did not exist in the original 880's kit and patch.
I can tell I have a lot of learning to do in the MIDI world. There are a couple of 880 kit that I really like and would like to put some of the kits from Ez Drummer on top of.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 10:51:24
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You are probably going to spend a little time with drum maps to get what your want. The user download area on the Toontrack site has some EZD drum maps that may get you started.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 17:26:23
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Are you using the bass tracks that come with the various DR880 loops?
I found that TTS-1 handles them nicely where as I have not been able to hear them using SD3 (IOW just the drums come thru tho the bass trax are midi'd in with the drums.)
I'd be pleased to hear SD3 handles Bass and I just don't know how to set it up.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 17:33:59
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Glenn,
Yes, I was sending the bass track as well, I didn't figure out how to NOT send the bass track. It did occur to me that the bass notes might have been affecting the process of laying the ez drums over the midi.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 18:02:13
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I like the bass riffs that accompany the loops but you can turn them off with the bass volume knob at the top left of the machine.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 18:08:18
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Yeah I did do that, but I would imagine that the midi data still came though. There are some nice patches on that thing I'd really like to get off and into Sonar. As in the raw midi data, not just audio.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/18 19:01:49
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Yeah I asked that too but I'm told the samples in the machine can't be transferred.
You have to just use the midi data and get the samples from SD3, TTS-1 or other plugs.
I'd also love it if all the midi loops were available.
There are 500 standard loops not to mention all the fills.
I've been bringing in midi loops and making Groove Clip loops from them.
They are very useful as they adjust to the tempo automatically.
If you are doing that too, maybe we can share.
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 07:30:16
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Bass is sent via channel 2 and drums are sent via channel 10...this might be your issue...are you set up with it set to omin as far as your MIDI input? If that is the case, you are gonna hear all the notes from all the channels coming out of the DR880...I figured this out just recently...I didn't realize I had it set to omni and that is why I was hearing exrta notes...
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:00:22
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I have not dealt with drum maps and the data from the DR880.
Would this allow separation of instruments (like in SD3) or is this a different function?
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:19:22
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Frostysnake
Bass is sent via channel 2 and drums are sent via channel 10...this might be your issue...are you set up with it set to omin as far as your MIDI input? If that is the case, you are gonna hear all the notes from all the channels coming out of the DR880...I figured this out just recently...I didn't realize I had it set to omni and that is why I was hearing exrta notes...
Frosty, I could reach through the internet and give you a great big ol man hug!!! You just made my day. You said something in your post that made sense. The fact that I needed to listen to channel 10. That then turned the light bulb on that I should just by-pass the fast track and go straight into my computer via USB. When i did that, I was able to see channel 10 for the midi input and POOF! Not only that, but when I applied the output of this into ez drummer, it all started working. Now, when i play the DR-880, it controls my ez drummer! DUDE!! I struggled with this all weekend wondering what the hell I was doing wrong. SWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!
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Re:Dr-880 midi out into fast track ultra USB into computer into SonarX2?
2013/02/19 22:19:39
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Set the input of SD3 to 10 for the drums and set the input for another like the TTS1 to channel 2 and you should be able to hear both I imagine...I have not tried this, but will after work tomorrow...it should work though...
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