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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/11 12:28:58 (permalink)
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I've noticed that when there's a mid-month patch, that becomes the official release, and the original release is removed from the rollback list. So I assume this works the same.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/11 13:13:32 (permalink)
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I've noticed that when there's a mid-month patch, that becomes the official release, and the original release is removed from the rollback list. So I assume this works the same.




That is correct. 
 
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/11 14:07:28 (permalink)
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This sounds dangerously like a plan.  (A positive plan IMOPFO)

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/11 16:23:04 (permalink)
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I like the idea.  
 
Better yet, why not introduce next year's updates this year, or--wait!--how about the 2027 release in 2017!  Naturally, this is tongue-in-cheek, but the important thing is that the bakers keep baking and everyone keep listening to the marketplace and the forums.
 
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 11:38:59 (permalink)
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If I...
Install a final release
then later on your preview/RC version.
then later on install the next final release.
 
If I decide to roll back at this point, which version would I be rolling back to? Is there a choice?



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Just to better illustrate what I think you are saying...
 
1) March - You install the official public release.  
2) April - You decide to check out the Preview.  There's no issues with it so it eventually becomes the official public release (i.e. same build number, we just remove the "Early Access" label from the installer name as it appears in your store account - it's still the same bits).
3) May - You install the official public release, but don't like something with it so you want to roll back.
 
At that point rollback will install the last official public release for April.  Let me know if I followed your question correctly.
 
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"i.e. same build number, we just remove the "Early Access" label from the installer name as it appears in your store account - it's still the same bits"
 
So when we download the "early access" version - it won't be clearly labelled as "Early Access" in Help-About of the main Sonar application?

A suggestion - please get it clearly labelled as such in Help-About. When a package becomes the final version just tweak the registry from the CCC, which the Sonar application will pick up. Do something similar when an Early Access version is installed.
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 12:03:07 (permalink)
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A suggestion - please get it clearly labelled as such in Help-About. When a package becomes the final version just tweak the registry from the CCC, which the Sonar application will pick up. Do something similar when an Early Access version is installed.




Perhaps a bit of overkill given that it is the final version.  Early accessors are just getting it -  well -  early!  If something catastrophic needed fixing it would get a new build number. 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 12:25:27 (permalink)
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Early accessors are just getting it -  well -  early!



We'll all be getting it at the same time.  You just won't notice if you aren't looking for it.
 
I still think too many people aren't going to be able to resist installing the preview once it's announced, in which case we'll have exactlly the same situation as we currently have.  Two possibilities make sense to me (a) announce all upcoming changes beforehand in minute detail as with analytics or (b) release a preview only to a select few who are free to openly discuss their experiences.  Anyone joining this group renounces the right to freak out following the discovery of a new 'feature'.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 15:40:24 (permalink)
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A suggestion - please get it clearly labelled as such in Help-About. When a package becomes the final version just tweak the registry from the CCC, which the Sonar application will pick up. Do something similar when an Early Access version is installed.



tenfoot
Perhaps a bit of overkill given that it is the final version.  Early accessors are just getting it -  well -  early!  If something catastrophic needed fixing it would get a new build number. 



I think I'm finding myself siding more with Paul P now.
 
Let me explain why this is not overkill. As Cakewalk says it is effectively a Release Candidate and is likely to be Golden Master (final release). However a few times it will not because of some issue. Now this is up to Cakewalk, but if Cakewalk wants to treat a Release Candidate like a Golden Master, then the customers will also do the same. That means if something goes wrong with the RC then customers aren't going to be too happy. But if it was explained and clearly indicated that this is a just a candidate for a final release, people may be a lot more forgiving.

In my opinion Cakewalk should clearly indicate RC on their software, or whatever terminology they want to use, and suggest that actually it may or may not be the final release, if they want an easier ride.
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 20:37:24 (permalink)
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Shirley this is overkill?

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 21:39:38 (permalink)
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Shirley this is overkill?



OK let's hear the other side of the argument then. Go for it...
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/12 21:53:53 (permalink)
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Shirley this is overkill?



OK let's hear the other side of the argument then. Go for it...


The other side is pretty simple -  though it's just another opinion.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument.  The early release is exactly the same as the final release we get now -  just a week earlier for those that choose to adopt. Nothing is changing except,  as the bakers have explained,  rather than sitting on the release for a week they are making it available.  What's with all the fuss. It is no different to how people choose to do it now.  Some jump right in on the day of release while the more cautious amongst us wait until the dust settles.
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 00:55:02 (permalink)
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To clarify nobody will get the early release by "accident". IOW command center won't deliver this build by default and it won't go out in a newsletter or anything. 
You have to roll forward" to get the early release by right clicking on SONAR in command center and choosing explicitly to download this build. We'd like to keep this process simple and not over engineer it.
 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 05:33:47 (permalink)
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Will there be any way to download it for those that don't use CCC Noel? 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 10:07:12 (permalink)
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Not sure about that. In the first cut it will likely be C3 only. Its possible however.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 13:13:55 (permalink)
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Shirley this is overkill?



FanCake
OK let's hear the other side of the argument then. Go for it...

 
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The other side is pretty simple -  though it's just another opinion.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument.  The early release is exactly the same as the final release we get now -  just a week earlier for those that choose to adopt. Nothing is changing except,  as the bakers have explained,  rather than sitting on the release for a week they are making it available.  What's with all the fuss. It is no different to how people choose to do it now.  Some jump right in on the day of release while the more cautious amongst us wait until the dust settles.


I think you misinterpret. There are multiple definitions of the word argument, obviously I mean 2 and not 1 as below.
 
1 an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
"I've had an argument with my father"
2. a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action
 
I don't see anybody at all here having an argument about it whatsoever or getting heated about it
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 15:08:45 (permalink)
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....too many people aren't going to be able to resist installing.......we'll have exactlly the situation as we currently have.......(b) release a preview only to a select few who are free to openly discuss their experiences.....


^ I see it as above; Obviously there is some intent from CW, the question is what is the real reason behind?...CW's reasoning on this does not seem 100% transparent to me ~> If it really were to just make the release available one week earlier...then why don't they just make the release available one week earlier?!

If the idea is to have some kind of pre-release feedback from users then they shouldn't state that there aren't going to be (hardly) any changes to the code because then the whole idea doesn't (really) make sense anymore. However if they do plan on doing code changes then as PaulP suggests there should only be a select group of people participating else there will again be a 50% for and 50% against situation (from the whole community/user base perspective)....

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 16:28:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2016/03/14 10:13:28
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A minute percentage of Sonar users frequent this forum.

As this "pre-release" version will only be announced on the forum, it stands to reason that it will be a relatively small number of users that will download it.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 16:58:12 (permalink)
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Well....it will be in every users CCC.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 20:56:40 (permalink)
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Not sure about that. In the first cut it will likely be C3 only. Its possible however.


Thanks Noel. 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 21:08:53 (permalink)
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FanCake
 
OK let's hear the other side of the argument then. Go for it...




 
FanCake

I think you misinterpret. There are multiple definitions of the word argument, obviously I mean 2 and not 1 as below.
 
1 an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
"I've had an argument with my father"
2. a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action
 




Fair enough -  good to know.  I read the 'go for it' as a tad combative. 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 21:25:12 (permalink)
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Well....it will be in every users CCC.



True.... but per the OP:
 
When an Early Access release is available, we’ll post an announcement in the main SONAR forum. The Early Access will then appear in Command Center under the Rollback menu. There will be no "yellow light" or other indicator in Command Center. You can also obtain the SONAR Early Access release through your Cakewalk Account page under "Other Versions.” The update in Command Center and the Account page will be labeled clearly as an "Early Access" release.  Install it as you normally would, or simply ignore it until it is announced to the public.


This certainly doesn't seem like something resembling a normal build or even visible to anyone who isn't looking for it.  Or at best, someone who happens to be rolling back during the short period when one of these versions is available (though it's obviously not a rollback version).   
 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/13 21:34:41 (permalink)
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I read the 'go for it' as a tad combative. 



?
Well OK.
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/14 09:21:59 (permalink)
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Well....it will be in every users CCC.

.....but per the OP:.........will then appear in Command Center under the Rollback menu. There will be no "yellow light" or other indicator in Command Center.......

This certainly doesn't seem like something resembling a normal build or even visible to anyone who isn't looking for it......



Right....I missed that.
Still I'm wondering why.....why one week earlier? Surely the intention must be for pre-release user feedback with the goal of making alterations.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/14 10:34:02 (permalink)
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Will there be any way to download it for those that don't use CCC Noel? 


Yes - via your product's download page. Under "Available Downloads" there's a button to "Show Other Downloads". It'll be in there.

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/14 12:47:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2016/03/17 00:15:26
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Still I'm wondering why.....why one week earlier? Surely the intention must be for pre-release user feedback with the goal of making alterations.



Well I'm just speculating here, but there were two updates that had hot fixes about a week afterward. One was when upsampling caused problems with projects that had tempo variations. The other was when a Control Bar update caused the custom buttons to always stick to the right. If these had been identified, it's possible the fixes would have been incorporated by the time the official release came out. 
 
Again just speculation here, but it also seems to offer a bit of a "security blanket" for Cakewalk to have confirmation that all is well with a release. Sort of like listening to a mix over different speakers before signing off on it 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/15 15:45:49 (permalink)
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tenfoot
Will there be any way to download it for those that don't use CCC Noel? 


Yes - via your product's download page. Under "Available Downloads" there's a button to "Show Other Downloads". It'll be in there.


Thanks Ryan -  that's great. 

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/30 18:49:42 (permalink)
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I looked at both methods to sign up but neither were available to me?
 
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/30 23:13:51 (permalink)
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Where can I find the workflow enhancements and bug fixes for this release?

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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/31 09:55:11 (permalink)
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I looked at both methods to sign up but neither were available to me?
 
Suggestions.....Hints...?
 
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Should be resolved.  Please see http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3393524  .  If not please let us know.
 
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Re: Early Access Program Coming To Cakewalk SONAR 2016/03/31 10:04:17 (permalink)
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Where can I find the workflow enhancements and bug fixes for this release?




 Materials related to workflow enhancements and bug fixes are being prepared.  We'll likely release those shortly.  
 
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