CadErik
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Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
I have been looking to buy a Roland A-800 but recently I found for a good price a used Roland PCR-800. Has anyone any experience with Sonar X2 and the PCR-800? I read somewhere that the ACT is better with the A-800 but can someone confirm that and give more details?
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 14:20:33
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I use a PCR with X2. It's not my main control surface I have an MCU & XT for that as well as a BCF2000 and a MIDI section on my mixer but the PCR does everything I want it to whiile I'm at my keyboards. Don't know about comparisons with the A-Pro series but I see more problems mentioned on here with A-PRO in the title than I do PCR.
That might be because the A-PRO is more current/popular though. I certainly have no intention of upgrading anytime soon though. No need, the PCR works that much I do know.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 14:45:03
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pcr is solid with sonar been using the 500 for years now
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 15:04:30
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 15:22:16
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How is the ACT integration? Is there play pause button? Do the faders work out of the box? Even on third party VSTs? I have an audio kore 1 and tried to map it and all the ACT config wasn't too fun.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 15:36:57
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Works pretty much out the box as long as the right map is loaded. Faders, knobs, buttons, transport etc, all works here. Great bit of kit. I use it to control Sonar when I'm at my keyboards, change map to control my synth (Sonic Cell), change back again to control Sonar. Simples.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 16:17:26
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Can I jump in with some questions on it as well?  Are you guys using the PCR on Win7? Have you found a download for the 64bit Editor for it? All I can find is XP and down and that the Editor wont be supported any longer. I can program the Pads but thats about all I know how to get it to do on Win7. Cant figure the rest out
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 16:21:30
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Also,
Are there any How To videos out there on PCR setup/mapping for the controls?
Thanks
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 16:23:41
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just version for xp works fine, just install it 32 bit on win7 64, setting it in the properties to be compatible with xp
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 16:50:14
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I have a PCR-800 and it works fine with no problems using act
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 16:52:34
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digi2ns
Also,
Are there any How To videos out there on PCR setup/mapping for the controls?
Thanks
Hi Mike This video on my youtube page may help. Although I'm using my ZED-R16 the PCR set up is almost identical. It just has the extra fader/knoband transport controls etc. The principle is the same. As Chregg has said I'm sure the editor works okay although it's been a while since i used it. I tend to edit controls via the keyboard itself.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 18:42:36
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Thanks Karl, Dont know how I missed yours. I did come across it though finally. It squared me away setting up the PCR on the preset for it. Sliders and Panning, etc... all do as advertised The only thing I couldnt figure out was how to do the L1-L4 to make it Play, Stop, Record... Gonna spend a lot of time getting it burned into my eProm on all the other stuff though. Thanks for the link though 
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/17 18:44:31
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Chregg
just version for xp works fine, just install it 32 bit on win7 64, setting it in the properties to be compatible with xp
Thanks Chregg Wasnt sure if it would mess up the OS or not. Didnt want to take the chance LOL If you arent having problems maybe it will be worth it.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/18 08:44:01
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CadErik I read somewhere that the ACT is better with the A-800 but can someone confirm that and give more details? I don't own the PCR so I don't know if this is true. See my recent thread on A-Pro for reference (if you haven't). http://forum.cakewalk.com...px?m=2790490&high= Despite the limitations/inconveniences of A-Pro control surface plugin, A-800Pro is a great keyboard (especially the key action).
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/18 09:09:48
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PCR needs firmware 1.05 for smooth knob control. if you're buying second hand or old stock you may want to check that.
I screwed up my PCR trying to update the firmware and Roland UK didn't want to repair even though I was happy to pay. They put me in touch with an engineer but he couldn't help.
Any PCR firmware gurus out there?
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/18 20:39:58
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maxsax
PCR needs firmware 1.05 for smooth knob control. if you're buying second hand or old stock you may want to check that.
I screwed up my PCR trying to update the firmware and Roland UK didn't want to repair even though I was happy to pay. They put me in touch with an engineer but he couldn't help.
Any PCR firmware gurus out there?
Did you use Roland's update SMF to transmit the p00001.mid file to the PCR? Here is the procedure to use this application: 1) Copy the file "updateSMF.exe" to your computer. 2) Launch the application by double clicking on the appropriate icon. 3) Click on the arrow by MIDI Out Device and select the MIDI output you wish to use. 4) Click on Path and use the browse dialog box to locate the Standard MIDI Files you have downloaded (they should be in a directory by themselves) and click on OK. 5) Click on Scan SMF, you should see a number of files appear in the window immediately next to this button. 6) Press SEND to begin transmitting the files. The application will send all of the files sequentially. 7) When the update is completed, press Exit. Download SMF to do your update SMF What happened after you went through this process? Does the controller work at all?
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/19 07:48:12
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Hi Marcus, thanks for your post.
At first I used x2 (30bpm) to send the sysex update and it choked and I have an FFF message on the display when the underneath dip switch is set to the receive update position. The keyboard does not power up with the dip switch in the normal operation position. I then tried the SMF player several times with no success.
If I hold down V-Link and L1 and power up with the dip switch in the receive update position
the display reads 1.04 (the factory shipped firmware).
Someone suggested trying to resend 1.04 but I haven't been able to locate a copy.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/19 22:29:20
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maxsax
I am going to search my archives and see if I can find 1.04. I save everything. no promises though. I won't be home for a few days, but I will put it on my to do list the minute I get home on Friday.
resending 1.04 may not do the trick but it is worth a shot.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/20 05:14:20
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/20 17:21:15
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This is a helpful thread. I read through it and realized that I have not checked my firmware version on my pcr800. Guess what? It was not 1.05, but 1.03. So I am going to update the firmware tonight.
Thanks for this thread!
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/20 19:14:17
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Bugger.
I just tried to update the firmware on my PCR800, and halfway through (when I hit the C3 button) the display switched to FFF. Not only can I not get rid of this, when I flick the switch (under the barcode) back into the 'normal' position, the PCR won't even switch on.
Any ideas?
Sorry to derail, just hoping someone else familiar with the PCR800 might know what to do.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 02:32:15
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A bit of a long shot..........Have you tried to resend it? Also make sure you haven't touched the other switch under the barcode, that'll stop a power up.
post edited by FastBikerBoy - 2013/03/21 02:38:27
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 07:04:42
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Steve
if you get it sorted let me know. I'm in the same position. If your keyboard is less than 3 years old Roland will fix it but I don't suppose it will be if you are on 1.03. Mine was just over 3 years old and they didn't want to know and weren't helpful.
I won't be buying another Roland keyboard as a result.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 12:04:25
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FastBikerBoy
A bit of a long shot..........Have you tried to resend it?
Also make sure you haven't touched the other switch under the barcode, that'll stop a power up.
Cheers Karl, I didn't even get as far as sending the update. After I turned the unit on as directed with the switch in the 'reset' position, I followed the bumph on which buttons to press on the unit:
2. Use a USB cable to connect the PCR to your PC, and set the PCR's power switch to the USB position.
3. When the PCR's display indicates 103, press the [ENTER] button.
4. When the PCR's display indicates "ERAS," press the [DYNAMIC MAPPING] button.
5. When the PCR's display indicates "SURE," press the [C3] button.
I got the 'ERAS' message in the window but when I pressed the Dynamic Mapping button, that's when I got the 'FFF' error.
And yup, I have been using the correct switch mate.
The connection via the USB is definitely still working because whenever I have the switch in the 'Update' position, the unit fires up (with the FFF message); it's only with the switch in the normal position that it's completely dead. I also double-checked in X2 and it 'sees' the PCR in update mode, but not in normal mode.
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Steve
if you get it sorted let me know. I'm in the same position. If your keyboard is less than 3 years old Roland will fix it but I don't suppose it will be if you are on 1.03. Mine was just over 3 years old and they didn't want to know and weren't helpful.
I won't be buying another Roland keyboard as a result.
Hi Martin I've tried posting this problem on the Roland forums HERE, and I've also just stumped up £11 on JustAnswer to see if an 'expert' knows how to sort it out. I'll let you know if I get an answer that actually solves this.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 15:37:23
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SteveStrummerUK
I also double-checked in X2 and it 'sees' the PCR in update mode, but not in normal mode.
Have you tried sending the sysex file from X2 or is the unit itself locked up completely? (And if that works I'm only a tenner.  )
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 16:40:23
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FastBikerBoy
SteveStrummerUK
I also double-checked in X2 and it 'sees' the PCR in update mode, but not in normal mode.
Have you tried sending the sysex file from X2 or is the unit itself locked up completely? (And if that works I'm only a tenner. )
Woo-hoo!! I'm not quite sure how, but I think I've cracked it. And thanks for the advice Karl  Martin, if it helps, here's what I did: - Make sure the switch is in the 'update' position on the underside of the PCR800
- Turn the PCR on while holding down the Enter button, this seems to clear the FFF error message and puts you back where you were before it 'crashed' - in my case, the message showing was ERAS
- Carry on the installation from that point in the process (i.e. in my case it was to press the Dynamic Mapping button)
- Run UpdSMF, select your PCR, navigate to the downloaded p00001.mid file and hit Scan SMF:
 - Once you get the message to tell you the transfer is complete:
... follow the instructions to switch off the PCR, put the switch back and then perform a factory reset.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 16:43:50
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SteveStrummerUK
FastBikerBoy
A bit of a long shot..........Have you tried to resend it?
Also make sure you haven't touched the other switch under the barcode, that'll stop a power up.
Cheers Karl, I didn't even get as far as sending the update. After I turned the unit on as directed with the switch in the 'reset' position, I followed the bumph on which buttons to press on the unit:
2. Use a USB cable to connect the PCR to your PC, and set the PCR's power switch to the USB position.
3. When the PCR's display indicates 103, press the [ENTER] button.
4. When the PCR's display indicates "ERAS," press the [DYNAMIC MAPPING] button.
5. When the PCR's display indicates "SURE," press the [C3] button.
I got the 'ERAS' message in the window but when I pressed the Dynamic Mapping button, that's when I got the 'FFF' error.
And yup, I have been using the correct switch mate.
The connection via the USB is definitely still working because whenever I have the switch in the 'Update' position, the unit fires up (with the FFF message); it's only with the switch in the normal position that it's completely dead. I also double-checked in X2 and it 'sees' the PCR in update mode, but not in normal mode.
maxsax
Steve
if you get it sorted let me know. I'm in the same position. If your keyboard is less than 3 years old Roland will fix it but I don't suppose it will be if you are on 1.03. Mine was just over 3 years old and they didn't want to know and weren't helpful.
I won't be buying another Roland keyboard as a result.
Hi Martin
I've tried posting this problem on the Roland forums HERE, and I've also just stumped up £11 on JustAnswer to see if an 'expert' knows how to sort it out.
I'll let you know if I get an answer that actually solves this.
So sorry to here this. I have not tried to update yet, and given two of you having what looks like the same problem updating the firmware, I think I am going to live with vers 1.03 for a while. Please keep us updated as to any remedy you find.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 16:46:41
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We must have posted at the same time. Are you saying that you now have v.1.05 working?
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 16:49:20
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cecelius2
We must have posted at the same time. Are you saying that you now have v.1.05 working?
Hi Wayne, yes, everything now seems to be working fine with v1.05.
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Re:Edirol PCR-800, ACT and Sonar X2?
2013/03/21 18:48:09
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Thanks Steve, I'll give it a try tomorrow and let you know. Glad you got yours running ok.
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