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Re a mastering limiter, when mastering is required,  people should without hesitation send the song to a mastering engineer. Engineers always demand that no limiting be used on mixes. Some compression for "glue" thru a nice compressor on the mix buss is fine but leave it to him to do the limiting. He's probably playing back over on over 25K worth of gear and another set of ears is well worth the investment. A hundred bucks for mastering a song is not going to kill anyone trying to make a record.

SvenArne

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Re a mastering limiter, when mastering is required,  people should without hesitation send the song to a mastering engineer. Engineers always demand that no limiting be used on mixes. Some compression for "glue" thru a nice compressor on the mix buss is fine but leave it to him to do the limiting. He's probably playing back over on over 25K worth of gear and another set of ears is well worth the investment. A hundred bucks for mastering a song is not going to kill anyone trying to make a record.

I get the feeling you're being deliberately obstinate here. 99% of songs produced with SONAR or any other DAW will never make it onto an album or be pressed as a single. Most of the time you just need a tool for making your tracks stand up to commercial material, volume wise (or make them competitive amongst the hundreds of other self-produced demos a record label or concert arranger is likely to recieve). A DAW package that claims to "have everything you need to produce commercial-grade music" needs to have a finalizing limiter. And Boost11, I'm sure you'll agree, does not cut it on any level.
 
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John T

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bitflipper

Most of us already have UAD plugs and or Waves.

Speak for yourself, Danny.

Most of us don't have UAD or Waves, trust me.

The point, however, is taken: the choice of plugins is often based on personal preference.

I don't use the Sonitus EQ because I have other equalizers I like better. However, before I found them I did use the Sonitus EQ for everything and would have felt shortchanged had nothing like that been bundled with the DAW. In order to be competitive, all DAW vendors must bundle the essential effects. It comes down to what's considered "essential", and that will vary from user to user.

And it isn't always about personal preference. Most hobbyists can't justify spending a lot of money, and bundled effects are a good value for those folks. If you were in Cakewalk Marketing, would you write off that (huge) market segment?

Howdy Bit,

LOL. Well I just don't know how much more maturing via maketing hype a DAW can do. We have watched for years as Cakewalk and the other outfits have tried with every "upgrade" to out do each other. I personally hope that somebody  up there in Boston will wakeup and say >>> Enuff already. It's time to make this stuff reliable and really ready for prime time. I think that X1 demonstrates that marketing is really just about scrapping bottom in their efforts to keep the excitement going. It is well past time to stop with the upgrade and new design trollop and just make it work.  Please, just make it work and rethink what you have done to beloved Sonar. Why on earth would somebody redesign something to suddenly take more keystrokes than previously required to do the same task. If I never again saw Sonar get all squirrelly after 4 or 5 hours or a complete GONE, nothing, nada, just looking at icons on the desktop, it would be fine. I love Sonar. I just want to see it reach it full potential. I want to be able to execute lush midi strings using high quality libraries with nicelly recorded aduio tracks without issues. I don't want a docking system for my windows. I have multiple monitors for that. I don't see what the big deal is about screensets. We have pretty much always been able to do that, at least since 6, when I first became aware of them. I don't care about something called a pro channel. I want a user friendly Sonar that is intuitive, as it has always been, where someone has really thought through all the minor anoyances that should not be in a mature DAW. Interestingly, I believe that our complaining about this or that issue over the years has been listened by someone. I have several times seen gripes and simple defiencies fixed. Not upgrades, but anoyances fixed. So I know they listen.

Re a mastering limiter, when mastering is required,  people should without hesitation send the song to a mastering engineer. Engineers always demand that no limiting be used on mixes. Some compression for "glue" thru a nice compressor on the mix buss is fine but leave it to him to do the limiting. He's probably playing back over on over 25K worth of gear and another set of ears is well worth the investment. A hundred bucks for mastering a song is not going to kill anyone trying to make a record.

Paragraph breaks, man, please. And start taking the meds again.

 If you would have read my post before you followed up with yours, you would have clearly seen that even though paragraph one was somewhat long, it was part of one continuing thought.

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Edit: Damn forum software, it's not taking any of my paragraph breaks. *scratches head* sorry for this mess. carlosagm79, "I do lots of splits," Make sure you are splitting at the zero crossing. "also apply chains of dynamics processing destructively to some clips(like vocals), if I made a mistake,or a small portion of a recording its clipped, I save time and eliminate the click/clip whatever instead a re-recording." Make a copy of the original track to destructively edit. You can always copy back in a clean part without an issue. The better approach is to probably edit non-destructively. "Heavy metal guitar have a inherent hum, sometimes just fading or gating the quietest passages its ok, sometime I do noise reduction." This really needs to be tackled at the source. Does the live room have clean power? Are the guitarists using quality cables and shielded guitars? If they have active electronics have they changed the battery? Are they using quality amps? I have some pretty monster gain amps that have less hum than a lot of old tweed Fender's that I've heard. "Sonar VVocal sometimes after applied in a small clip it creates a molest click(a Bug, I don't know)" You need to apply it to a dry vocal. Try turning the Forment control down too. "A good take from a bass player, for example, can be lost for very small clicks and rumble due to its jack plug or any other line issue." Line issues need to be resolved before ever recording. Give the bassist a working bass if you must. I've got 3 and access to many more for just this reason. "Somebody says he have 3 DAW, never use Waves, Sony, Izotope, Soundsoap restoration tool?? The most common use, to restore old vinyl/ tape recordings!" I don't do restorations, but I use SONAR, ProTools, and Logic. I've never needed to use anything more than a Gate or EQ for noise control.

There should be a plugin bundled with sonar with a button you push and it gives you a hit record. that's what I want to see. The Hitmaker......I'll pay for that upgrade