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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/22 22:52:34
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I think it's a matter of ratio, Obi. If one doesn't use those iStuff - and it doesn't look like many folks on these forums do - it can seem like almost every time we hear about IK, besides those crazy sales, it's about iThis and iThat. The fact of the matter is that, as a customer, when I log into IK's web site, it feels challenging to get to the stuff that interests me and to get the omnipresent iStuff out of the way. Just see the Product Spotlight section - almost everything there is iSomething. And when I finally get to what interest me, what I find is that, no, there isn't a new T-Racks single, no CSR hasn't been ported to 64 bit, no SampleTank 3 still isn't out and no the new version of ARC hasn't been released. That leaves us w/ the Custom Shop. So if someone doesn't use iStuff or Amplitube, there's not much left at IK. Personally, I own almost all the non iProducts - even books about those products - and I can't wait to see new non-iStuff. But I got so tired of iPromo that I removed IK from my FB newsfeed. So I can understand the folks here...
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 00:39:58
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We have shared out current development on ARC and its something we are still working on with Audyssey on the next version. We are trying to show you that we are indeed working on the things you are asking for. It's a fine line we walk though, you can't really make everybody happy as this thread shows. I'd give you more info on the other products you mentioned, but I don't think I should. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :/
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 13:41:57
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Well, I wish it would be faster but, I would rather it take longer and be better than go quickly and be buggy.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 16:28:32
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Trust me, we ALL wish it would go faster, but its the unexpected hiccups that take time.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 17:08:31
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OTOH, you guys can take your time w/ ARC... It's the product I've yet to buy, but most likely later this year - hopefully I'll be able to grab v1 before v2 comes out and the price goes up again, so I'm in no hurry to see the new version come out... ;)
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 19:08:39
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IK Obi We have shared out current development on ARC and its something we are still working on with Audyssey on the next version. We are trying to show you that we are indeed working on the things you are asking for. It's a fine line we walk though, you can't really make everybody happy as this thread shows. I'd give you more info on the other products you mentioned, but I don't think I should. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :/ IK OBi: Again, I thank you for the many ways you help so many of us, especially recently with ARC. I sometimes have over-reacted not just on this thread but with others and hit "send" before I realize I should have waited and not said what I have written; I can't beleive sometimes what I have written. I hope I have not offended you. For me, I have over the last three years bought the complete line of your studio products and they are good, some are great: the complete Samplexxx line, Amplitube (Fender, Hendrix, Ampeg), the T-Racks Deluxe (with Black and White), CSR , ARC, etc.. You get the picture. I absolutely love the Fender amps in Amplitube, the T-Racks is great for mastering, and boy does ARC really do the trick for room correction--Wow are they great!!!! I believe that when you guys do release ST3 and 64bit updates that those products will not just go a long way at calming this recent torrential storm of discontent, but hopefully with make many, many of us project & home studio users happy sailors with IKMultimedia. Certainly you did prove that you were still in it for us studio users when you brought forth the Black & White (especially with that recent group buy, which btw I did not join as I already had it; I just bought them outright because they were that good). I look forward to spending some of my money for ST3; I am excited that it will be bigger, better, newer, greater and still be able to read all the nice ST2 samples and hopefully with have an updated more readable GUI. I always look carefully at ALL of your posts and hope that it is being announced. So, please don't disappear or leave. It must be difficult certainly and you must have mighty thick skin to enter so many of these forums (I can't believe how bad it is on some of the gearslutz forums--I don't have that thick of skin). Please continue our journey with us and please keep us up to date on products that are coming or have arrived. Who knows, some of us might even buy one of those Iapps for the fun of it.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 19:38:58
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cecelius2 So, please don't disappear or leave. It must be difficult certainly and you must have mighty thick skin to enter so many of these forums (I can't believe how bad it is on some of the gearslutz forums--I don't have that thick of skin). Please continue our journey with us and please keep us up to date on products that are coming or have arrived. Have no fear Obi will be with us as long as he keeps his current job, or until Cakewalk withdraw his priviledge of advertising here for free and start charging IK for their internet real estate, whether we like it or not. That's my guess. Obi's aware that he'll get a hard time from time to time because not everyone is pleased to see a spammer spamming, although of course some don't mind that and he's playing to those percentages as is likely defined in the training guides for his professional role.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 20:59:40
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Jonbouy cecelius2 So, please don't disappear or leave. It must be difficult certainly and you must have mighty thick skin to enter so many of these forums (I can't believe how bad it is on some of the gearslutz forums--I don't have that thick of skin). Please continue our journey with us and please keep us up to date on products that are coming or have arrived. Have no fear Obi will be with us as long as he keeps his current job, or until Cakewalk withdraw his priviledge of advertising here for free and start charging IK for their internet real estate, whether we like it or not. That's my guess. Obi's aware that he'll get a hard time from time to time because not everyone is pleased to see a spammer spamming, although of course some don't mind that and he's playing to those percentages as is likely defined in the training guides for his professional role. Calling him a spammer is ignorant and rude.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 21:39:11
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You may not like the idea, but it isn't in the realm of rude, nor name calling, it's fact. Wiki: Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements, abusive, or otherwise unwanted on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots, or manually with unscrupulous intentions. Cakewalk Forum TOS: Advertising Cakewalk does not allow any form of advertising, therefore promoting websites or products in the forum is inappropriate. The branded Obi spams therefore he is a spammer. Check out his profile if you want to see how many posts he's made from a users perspective. I don't take it personally any more than I take Xuian Lom pushing cheap fake Rolex's personally, but Xuian and Obi are engaged in the same business.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 21:56:25
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Jonbouy You may not like the idea, but it isn't in the realm of rude, nor name calling, it's fact. Wiki: Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements, abusive, or otherwise unwanted on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots, or manually with unscrupulous intentions. Cakewalk Forum TOS: Advertising Cakewalk does not allow any form of advertising, therefore promoting websites or products in the forum is inappropriate. He is neither a spambot , unscrupulous or abusive. MI company representatives are uniformly welcome on MI forums including this one. Contact Cakewalk and ask them if he is unwelcome.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 21:57:20
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If a thread is about a particular software company, and representatives of that company participate in the thread, then it's more like targeted advertising to me. It can't be customer service if it doesn't happen at their place of business. I'm willing to bet that NI won't show up to talk about Guitar Rig. What other companies have forum reps on hand? Maybe Cakewalk will let them have their own forum. If you want to shop between posts it could be perfect.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 22:01:09
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vintagevibe Jonbouy You may not like the idea, but it isn't in the realm of rude, nor name calling, it's fact. Wiki: Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements, abusive, or otherwise unwanted on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots, or manually with unscrupulous intentions. Cakewalk Forum TOS: Advertising Cakewalk does not allow any form of advertising, therefore promoting websites or products in the forum is inappropriate. He is neither a spambot , unscrupulous or abusive. MI company representatives are uniformly welcome on MI forums including this one. Contact Cakewalk and ask them if he is unwelcome. ??? Go promote Cakewalk on IK's site. You've cherry picked spambot, and abusive read the definition fully. Then read Cakewalk's unambiguous statement in their own TOS, it doesn't make mention excluding MI reps, MI I'm assuming is your own code for Music Industry.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 22:10:35
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ampfixer If a thread is about a particular software company, and representatives of that company participate in the thread, then it's more like targeted advertising to me. It can't be customer service if it doesn't happen at their place of business. I'm willing to bet that NI won't show up to talk about Guitar Rig. What other companies have forum reps on hand? Maybe Cakewalk will let them have their own forum. If you want to shop between posts it could be perfect. That would be a good idea. Seperate the commercial companies that want to Spam then perhaps Cakewalk could recoup some revenue from those that want to be represented there rather than have their goodwill leeched by unscrupulous spammers. Then we get the unbiased user perspective on products as well as keeping those people happy that want to be marketed to by company reps, and this forum retains it's integrity and usefulness and doesn't descend in a free for all because one unscrupulous company sets a precedent.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/06/24 22:12:41
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 22:15:32
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Maybe Cakewalk will ban OBbi like they have repeatedly banned you Jonbouy :)
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 22:57:49
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While I do like having Obi here, I can certainly see Jon's point of view. We already had this thread about the Slash kit and we get another "Three Kings of tone....." That tone is not the normal thread title you find here unless it has something to do with video converters. It's Cake's forum they can allow what they like but recent events have changed how I value Obi's opinion here because I know that his official opinion here is driven by corporate interests. From Obi's response to the well spoken Mr. Kenn, IK is not a company that allows open talk from employees that don't think optimistically about their new istrategy. I find it hard to believe that that he would be allowed to give anything but glowing praise to any of their products. I certainly don't hold anything against him but he's no ordinary user on this user to user forum. He is at least a vendor. In any case I do thank you Obi, you bumped that Sonik Synth just in the nick of time.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 23:17:00
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Jonbouy Go promote Cakewalk on IK's site. You've cherry picked spambot, and abusive read the definition fully. Then read Cakewalk's unambiguous statement in their own TOS, it doesn't make mention excluding MI reps, MI I'm assuming is your own code for Music Industry. MI is the standard acronym for the Music Industry. Perhaps you don't know much about the MI. All I can say is that if you are this worked up about IK Obi you really need to take a break. Go out. Get some relaxation. It will be OK. He's not coming to your house.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/24 23:59:28
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Jonbouy you really, really need to give it a rest. It is really, really old! Your comments are much worse (in regards to forum material) then IK Obi. You don't like him, we get it. Why do you feel the need to keep telling us. I want to read music related information, not your hateful spew! Can we please move on?????????????
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/25 00:43:41
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forget what I said... I'm with Bapu, 64 bit would be a real lift. Congratulations on the Marshall deal nonetheless.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/25 05:32:16
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MI is the standard acronym for the Music Industry. According to Julie Andrews it's a name she calls herself.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/25 05:37:33
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kurrykid Jonbouy you really, really need to give it a rest. It is really, really old! Your comments are much worse (in regards to forum material) then IK Obi. You don't like him, we get it. Why do you feel the need to keep telling us. I want to read music related information, not your hateful spew! Can we please move on????????????? Kurrykid where did you get the inference that I don't like Obi? Hateful spew? That's quote there is probably the nearest thing that fits your description on this thread. I don't like Spam that's the point you could have read in a previous post. How about the Spam has got old and for every Spam post that Obi delivers as a rep I flag it up as Spam? I'm willing to do that for free.
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IK Obi
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 04:09:13
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Trollololoolololol. When people ask what I do for a living I'm just going to reply deal with Trolls. Not to mention the fact if IK was not present on the boards, we wouldn't have created a way for IK users to request features and updates. (We created the IK forums for that) We wouldn't be able to help users as much as we can where they are. (You know, like here with simple questions and getting them help with support when I can't help them here) However I may appear to whomever I have no control over. I can control the block settings here though and if I really bug anybody that much, feel free to block me. Its really a great feature.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 04:36:46
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IK Obi Trollololoolololol. When people ask what I do for a living I'm just going to reply deal with Trolls. Not to mention the fact if IK was not present on the boards, we wouldn't have created a way for IK users to request features and updates. (We created the IK forums for that) We wouldn't be able to help users as much as we can where they are. (You know, like here with simple questions and getting them help with support when I can't help them here) However I may appear to whomever I have no control over. I can control the block settings here though and if I really bug anybody that much, feel free to block me. Its really a great feature. There is a BIG BIG difference between Support and Marketing. Giving support is a reactive action and marketing an proactive. I have no problems with you giving support when needed. I do see the problem with you doing marketing campaigns here. Imagine how it would be if all companies were doing the same as IK Multimedia is doing? Just because IK Obi have been here a long time should not justify him and IK Multimedia any special treatments/rules. Jonbouy is correct...
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 07:25:51
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+1, Sorry you can't see the difference Obi. So you are saying this is not marketing Three kings thread ?
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 08:20:25
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 08:37:13
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IK Obi Trollololoolololol. When people ask what I do for a living I'm just going to reply deal with Trolls. Not to mention the fact if IK was not present on the boards, we wouldn't have created a way for IK users to request features and updates. (We created the IK forums for that) We wouldn't be able to help users as much as we can where they are. (You know, like here with simple questions and getting them help with support when I can't help them here) However I may appear to whomever I have no control over. I can control the block settings here though and if I really bug anybody that much, feel free to block me. Its really a great feature. Actually now you're getting personal where I didn't. You got referred to as a Spammer because that is your actual job title, except you prefer to call it Social Media Strategist. Had you simply shut-up I was quite happy to let this lie as I'd said all I wanted to say on the subject and was prepared to let the good folk of this forum draw their own conclusions. I'm not a troll, I'm simply a guest here because I am an owner of several Cakewalk products. As such, as Backwoods accurately points out I am bound by the TOS here. For you to be here in your professional capacity taking liberties of your hosts and now personally insulting their customers is an outrage. I've never felt a need to get support on any other products I own on this forum each vendor I use has its own support setup. I don't need any of them to chime in here because it's not like I have to traipse across town to find them I merely have to follow a link to their own page. Peers on this particular forum advocate the use of certain products they like and work well within the context of a Cakewalk product because that is the purpose of this particular section. You go way beyond that remit and by your own admission you are PAID to participate here. We are also able to point out the 'warts' in particular products, like invasive installion procedures, lack of 64 bit support, and excessive resource usage, where you will tend to avoid these things inherent in your own products due to your partisan interests or pay packet if you prefer. This isn't the place to tout iApps because Cakewalk don't actually produce any. No other company abuses these forums the way you do period. You don't deal with trolls in your job you upset genuine customers of the vendors whose forums you leech upon! Cynically and remorselessly because you are paid to do so. Reported!
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/06/27 09:09:20
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 10:42:38
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 15:23:58
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@smedberg, no it is not my job, but if I know an answer I always try and help. Unfortunately I do not know everything here at IK so we have a full department that is here to help you. We'd have them on the forums, but unfortunately not everyone at IK has thick skin. If you ask around I have helped in countless PMs and helped people along in every way that I can.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 16:33:17
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I'm with Jonbouy on this one. I'm bombarded with dozens of e-mail advertisements everyday. I really don't come to the cakewalk forum and need to see anymore. You, Obi, and the dude that was hawking Kirk Hunter Strings awhile back, are salesmen. First and foremost, you are here to sell merchandise. Surely, you can see why some of us are not exactly thrilled with your presence.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 16:52:04
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IK Obi @smedberg, no it is not my job, but if I know an answer I always try and help. Unfortunately I do not know everything here at IK so we have a full department that is here to help you. We'd have them on the forums, but unfortunately not everyone at IK has thick skin. If you ask around I have helped in countless PMs and helped people along in every way that I can. The hapless victim and advocate of the forum users card has worn out Mr Professional Spammer. You just insult everyone here even more, I asked you for support once as a genuine prospective customer WRT to your installation routines, you became obstructive and defensive well before I had the need to point out your behaviour to you. You didn't know the answer but you could have easily found it out from your own support department because you wanted to take the issue off the forum because it was an embarrasment. I wanted you to answer it publically, and made that clear at the time, and you refused the opportunity to do so. Your postings here are often in flagrant violation of the TOS as you are already aware and yet you persist, and now you resort to insults. Your company is clearly not worried about making a few enemies as long as you get the word out at any cost. You may as well put Viagra, Tennis Shoes, and iApp format converters on your portfolio because you use exactly the same tactics as these people and you could make far more money if you took on board a few more products to tout.
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Re:FAO: IK Obi
2012/06/27 17:13:30
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IK Obi I would be VERY careful about "leaking" IK employees opinions like that. IK is a VERY small company and even more so when you narrow it down to just the US office, which I assume the employee works from because you write English well. I already have a name in my head I'm VERY certain of, not that I care but if the wrong person sees this at IK that employee will be called out. And what does this even mean to anyone here? Is it a threat? Whatever it is it is completely bizarre in a pretty dark way.
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