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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 17:21:26
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You beat me to it Rain...
Downloading now...woo hoo...been waiting a long time for this...
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 17:23:54
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Wow...I feel like a kid in a candy store...
The suspense is horrendous...I hope it lasts..
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Rain
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 17:31:27
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I've downloaded it, I'll probably install it later today. I'm really not looking for another DAW, but, I've always been curious to at least try DP.
For anyone who's unhappy w/ the score editor in Sonar - or the lack of color customization options - I'm guessing DP could be potentially interesting.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 18:00:39
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Well I thought that Sonar was the slowest VST Scan in history...
DP 8 now has the title...WOW....taking forever..
Cubase is done in seconds...even the initial scan is super fast..
Sonar I can walk away, get a coffee, go to the bathroom, do some odds and ends,
come back and wait for another few minutes and it's done..
DP 8 is now scanning and going at a snails pace...slower then Sonar..
Even my MuLab, Mixcraft, and Harrison MixBuss can scan in seconds....
Cubase is definitely the Winner in speed of VST Scan...that much is for sure..
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Rain
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 18:13:38
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Yeah, I went ahead and installed it.
I don't have that many 3rd party plug-ins installed but it took forever. Waited for a while. Got bored. Went downstairs, prepared breakfast, came back up and ate my breakfast while watching it scan plugs... Finished my breakfast - still scanning.
Then finally created a new project...
I can figure out my way around pretty much anything rather quickly and usually, when I try new DAW software, I first seem to notice all the cool stuff.
My first impressions of DP - Man, I love Logic!
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 18:33:02
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So far I'm not to keen on the interface..that will take some getting used to...
It's laid out ok..just different...
I haven't met a DAW I couldn't get the gist of in a few hours...so we'll see...
Had to add some of my other VST Folders and now rescanning...and again, taking
till the cows come home and then some...
I think what I find interesting is there are no demo projects....
that's always my first point of reference...I check them out and remix
them to see what I can come up with...and get a feel for the program...
One of the biggest surprises for me was Mixcraft Pro Studio...that program,
for a buck and a half is a butt stomper...if they go 64 bit in V7 then they're
gonna be doing some serious hoo haa....and hoping that MixBuss adds VSTi
support and goes 64 bit...
Sonar is still home...but there is some impressive competition coming up...
BitWig is coming out, OhmStudio, etc...
The competition is heating up...hopefully we are the winners...
Wish I had a Mac to give Logic a whirl...that's why I was stoked
about DP for Windows...finally get to kick the tires and take it for
a spin...
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/01 18:45:00
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Some things I didn't like..
It didn't ask where to install it...don't like that..
VST Scan is a two phase process...both take forever...
1) scanning the VST's
2) gathering info on the VST's
That's a pain...
If it increases stability it may not be a bad thing...just annoying...we shall see..
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Rain
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/02 14:48:50
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My second impression of DP - Man, I really love Logic and I have many reasons to love it that much. lol
In fact, I have yet to find one think that will make me go: wow, that's cool! in DP.
Even just the way it draws itself onscreen when launched...
I've been wanting to try DP for like 10 years now... Let's just say it fell way below my anticipations.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/02 15:09:33
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I agree Rain,
Was not at all impressed...
Already uninstalled...
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 08:14:16
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But...it's so purdy?!?
Dan
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 10:20:35
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The ability to sync to video is legendary.
The Chunk feature is really cool.
Completely rewritten code for natvie Windows version of DP (took ages).
Great midi features.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 11:54:26
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I'm looking to move from Sonar to something with notation and video capabilities. The only choices are DP and Cubase. Any opinions on how DP is for those type of tasks?
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 13:03:09
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I'm looking to move from Sonar to something with notation and video capabilities. The only choices are DP and Cubase. Any opinions on how DP is for those type of tasks?
that is exactly DP's strong suit and has been for many many years. Film composers swear by DP on Mac. Danny Elfman's main toolbox, many other composers use it on Mac regularly. this NEW DP is the 1st on the windows platform. No clue how stable it is for those types of workloads. Nice that MOTU provides a 30 day full feature trial so you can see. The Windows DP was written to perform and look/act featurewise the same as the Mac. It SHOULD be great in that regard. time will tell. Since Dp has been around for so long many of the tutorials, books and video tutorials should apply minus new features of different versions. So learning it should not that hard given the resources available. I used to use DP way way back in the day (DP3 maybe?), it's been a while and used it on a Mac. I really liked it and enjoyed working with it. But there weren't as many options back then and now DAWs are a dime a dozen and features are all over. I primarily use Sonar X1 Producer (have X2 Producer not installed yet) and Ableton Live 8 (9 waiting to be installed). I don't know that I NEED another DAW to learn but DP8 would be one that I will demo and really consider.
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Rain
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 16:48:55
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I haven't uninstalled it yet only because I want to try a few plugs just for fun, but I am more than convinced that it isn't for me. On the positive side, I dug those Massenburg plug-ins and a couple of effects. The instruments seem pretty uninspiring. I did not find a way to create consolidated instrument tracks so far. The GUI just won't work for me. DP feels way too slow when compared to Logic. Almost like comparing Windows 98 to W7. A good friend of mine here in Vegas uses Digital Performer, Logic and Pro Tools and does quite a bit of scoring. I remember him telling me last year that although he liked DP and some of its very cool features, nowadays, he's not really using it half as much as he used to and that he sticks w/ Logic most of the time. Over the years, feature-wise, the gap has closed and in terms of workflow, Logic is light-years ahead of DP. So when compared overall, though DP offers some theoretical refinements in certain areas, practically speaking, Logic's a more efficient all-in-one solution. Unlike Cubase and Logic users, some Sonar users could potentially be more attracted to DP, considering that Cakewalk is the only original big guy which never really seemed to care much for those 2 areas in which DP shines - scoring to movie and notation.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 17:25:21
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Thanks for posting this! Am going to give it a crack.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 17:35:42
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Installed it yesterday, and stayed up way too late giving it a test. Back on the horse again today, and I'm really liking it.
I don't think it's fair to compare to Logic since most of us are only looking at it because it's been ported to windows. I absolutely loved Logic, and was one of the people burned when they dropped windows support. So far, Digital Performer is looking like a good replacement. I'm not seeing any sluggish activity here. DP is snappy with everything I'm doing, and I'm really liking the workflow. Once I read about something in the guide, it makes sense to me the way that it's laid out. But, I still miss Logic's environment.
The big stand outs so far, for me, are the upgraded ppqn which seems so much tighter than Sonar, and the ability to have different mixes on the same project. Just click a drop down menu and it changes your plugs and automation. I can now test different mixes without having to create completely different projects.
Overall, this program is deep with a lot of functionality. I'm a midi fanatic, and the program is scratching that itch. This program does remind me of Logic, but it's coded from the ground up for windows. New and efficient code.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/03 22:06:57
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Resonant Order
Installed it yesterday, and stayed up way too late giving it a test. Back on the horse again today, and I'm really liking it.
I don't think it's fair to compare to Logic since most of us are only looking at it because it's been ported to windows. I absolutely loved Logic, and was one of the people burned when they dropped windows support. So far, Digital Performer is looking like a good replacement. I'm not seeing any sluggish activity here. DP is snappy with everything I'm doing, and I'm really liking the workflow. Once I read about something in the guide, it makes sense to me the way that it's laid out. But, I still miss Logic's environment.
The big stand outs so far, for me, are the upgraded ppqn which seems so much tighter than Sonar, and the ability to have different mixes on the same project. Just click a drop down menu and it changes your plugs and automation. I can now test different mixes without having to create completely different projects.
Overall, this program is deep with a lot of functionality. I'm a midi fanatic, and the program is scratching that itch. This program does remind me of Logic, but it's coded from the ground up for windows. New and efficient code.
I'll give you that the comparison isn't totally fair. I wouldn't call it sluggish and if I were working on PC, I'd probably take a bit more time evaluating it because of it's depth. Logic being developed by Apple, it feels extremely tight, like very few apps I've seen actually. DP isn't unlike Pro Tools or Studio One and certainly doesn't feel as heavy as MixBus.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/04 15:54:37
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I really want to like DP (great environment for working with video and has intriguing features) but man is it unstable in present form. It's crashed almost every time I've had it open to demo... Just about ready to uninstall... and wait till a later version.
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Rain
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/04 16:11:18
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I've tested it w/ one instance of Model 12 playing a very basic 8 bar loop. My laptop's fan was running as loud as it gets.
By comparison, my current little project in Logic has 46 tracks, dozens of EXS-24 (sampler), a couple of ES-2, audio tracks, loops, compression and EQ on most tracks, 2 instances of Space Designer (conv. reverb), one Valhalla, automation - and the fan is as quiet as it gets.
I'd probably need a couple of instances of Zeta or Kontakt to match what I get in DP.
I know that doesn't tell the whole story and that it's only MY rig, but for me, that's one of the factors.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/05 17:54:05
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I did a job in DP a few years ago - hated every minute of it but that's what they had installed in that studio. However, it was incredibly powerful! So it's definitely a good DAW. I'll probably check out the DEMO our of curiosity to see what's changed. But based on what you guys are saying here I don't expect to like it any more than I did back in the day.
But it sure looks nice and they seem to have changed the layout quite a bit.
Interesting.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/06 12:44:19
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DP8 has a great list of features/capabilities... but man it's currently a hot-mess. Think X1 and X2 initial releases were bad??? Try the demo for DP.  Really want to add it to my toolbox... but it's time to say "uncle" (for now). Open EZ Drummer... and drag a MIDI pattern into a project. Instant crash every time. Audio playback has gone dead after adding/tweaking a plugin. Playback cursor has disappeared (as well as time display stopped moving) - audio continued to play 64Bit Phoenix Verb doesn't display properly. 32Bit version (bridged with jBridge) works ok.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/06 13:23:32
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Jim Roseberry
DP8 has a great list of features/capabilities... but man it's currently a hot-mess.
Think X1 and X2 initial releases were bad???
Try the demo for DP.
Good to know. I've was hoping DP for windows would fill in the missing parts of Sonar. (scoring to video and notation- it's a drag to have to use workarounds) Maybe the Cakewalk folks will see this as an opportunity to improve Sonars functionality in this area... as always I can hope... can't I .... ;)
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/06 13:42:59
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I have read, can't remmeber where that the DP 8 demo is DP 8.0 and there have already been 2 bug patch releases to address some of the issues. However the fixes may not be in the demo of DP8.
That doesn't really help people evaluate if the program is stable or if the issues people have using the demo are covered in the release with patches applied.
Sonar X1 has a similar thing happen with the Sonar X1 demo and 4 release patches. Bought product was fine but the demo had issues.
just thought I would throw that out there. if someone is truely interested in purchasing DP8 for windows that maybe checking the MOTU forums and patch releases may be helpful in making the decision to purchase or not.
me I'm gunna hold off til there is a DP8.2 or summthing. New version on a new OS platform there are bound to be some real issues that have to be resolved.
but DP8 does have some features that look oh so tasty.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/06 14:37:01
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DP8 does have some features that look oh so tasty. Agreed... FWIW, The demo is the latest version (8.02). I'm sure it won't stay in this state... but it needs some TLC.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/06 16:36:05
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Jim Roseberry
DP8 does have some features that look oh so tasty.
Agreed...
FWIW, The demo is the latest version (8.02).
I'm sure it won't stay in this state... but it needs some TLC.
okie dokie. so the demo is 8.02. welp, then they have some more work to do then. oh well.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/08 05:42:25
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Great to see it the more the competition the better for end users. We may get want we keep requesting now from them all if any of them want to keep their customers.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/28 23:47:56
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Rain
My second impression of DP - Man, I really love Logic and I have many reasons to love it that much. lol
In fact, I have yet to find one think that will make me go: wow, that's cool! in DP.
Even just the way it draws itself onscreen when launched...
I've been wanting to try DP for like 10 years now... Let's just say it fell way below my anticipations.
Same here, I was like a kid on Christams morning when I saw the demo release! Found it to be the disappointment of the century. Honestly, the layout is primitive and bland (heck, even worse than Logic), and not user friendly at all. I was really looking forward to using its legendary video features, but couldn't get my head around it enough to delve into it that far. Plus, it couldn't "pass" many of my VST's hat work great in X2, Cubase and PT. Sorry MOTU!
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/29 11:28:05
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Rain
My second impression of DP - Man, I really love Logic and I have many reasons to love it that much. lol
In fact, I have yet to find one think that will make me go: wow, that's cool! in DP.
Even just the way it draws itself onscreen when launched...
I've been wanting to try DP for like 10 years now... Let's just say it fell way below my anticipations.
Same here, I was like a kid on Christams morning when I saw the demo release! Found it to be the disappointment of the century. Honestly, the layout is primitive and bland (heck, even worse than Logic), and not user friendly at all. I was really looking forward to using its legendary video features, but couldn't get my head around it enough to delve into it that far. Plus, it couldn't "pass" many of my VST's hat work great in X2, Cubase and PT. Sorry MOTU!
I was disappointed with the demo also. I have the Cubase 7 demo and that's the direction I'm going. It's pretty amazing although it will take some work to change the way I think about some things. Learning a new DAW is a big job.
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Re:Finally! MOTU DP demo available.
2013/05/29 11:43:47
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I was disappointed with the demo also. I have the Cubase 7 demo and that's the direction I'm going. It's pretty amazing although it will take some work to change the way I think about some things. Learning a new DAW is a big job. Not to discourage you in any way... Until I believe the 7.03 update, Cubase was having video (playback) related issues. At v7.04, Cubase is pretty solid. At 8.04. DP is starting to solidify. It's so different, it's going to take a while to completely absorb... My copy should be here tomorrow. The video specific features sold me...
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