mcl
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Am I reading this right?
You can buy and download Project5 (2.5) for £59 (approx $120)? The whole program that boxed costs £169 (approx $338)?
The email I received says 'new pricing'. That is quite some adjustment... assuming I am not missing the obvious...?
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 8:34 AM
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Yes, I just bought V2.5 for 99USD last night....no apologies forthcoming.... 
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xylyx
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 8:41 AM
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You're not missing the obvious, mcl. The only thing I would suggest considering is that you can currently buy the boxed version of P5 from UK retailers for £80 and by doing this you get the original Dimension instrument, which is more editable than the current LE version. If you are planning to upgrade to the Pro version of Dimension, then it may not matter so much, but it may be worth comparing which offers the best value for money route...you also get PSYNII with the original boxed version too, which isn't a bad synth, depending on how many VA type synths you already have.
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mcl
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 8:46 AM
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Well, well... this is very interesting. I rather like the look of the arp in P5 and as I have no lack of quality soft-synths & plug-ins, this looks quite attractive... One question on the arp - will it output to a midi track and can P5 then export to a midi file? I have Sonar PE and would generally be using ReWire for Reason. So I will need to get the fruits of that nice arp out of P5
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:04 AM
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Project5 cannot process the ARP to generate a midi file that can be used elsewhere. Acting in rewire mode, and using a midi loopback (maple VMC), Tom (B Rock) did show how you can record it in a Rewire host using Project5 as a rewire slave. Alternatively, you can bounce the arp instrument to Audio and work with it in Audio safe in the knowledge if you need to change it , you just need to bounce it again.
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xylyx
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:04 AM
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No, it won't...but there is a workaround for this on the P5 wiki, so it is possible, it's just a bit more work to do it than it could have been. EDIT: The instructions for the workaround are [here].
post edited by xylyx - June 22, 07 9:06 AM
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syrath
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:12 AM
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ORIGINAL: xylyx
If you are planning to upgrade to the Pro version of Dimension, then it may not matter so much, but it may be worth comparing which offers the best value for money route...you also get PSYNII with the original boxed version too, which isn't a bad synth, depending on how many VA type synths you already have.
If you plan on upgrading to Dimension Pro , its cheaper to buy P5 V2 from somewhere like turnkey and upgrade from P5 V2(£69), rather than upgrade from Dimension LE (£125), and as is said you also get the other synths. If however you have no intention of getting Dimension Pro (like you say if you have a lot of software instruments you already use) then the download V2.5 would be the cheaper option (save £10 + delivery)
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:18 AM
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The instructions for the workaround are [here]. True, Rob, but while still valid, that link details the way to do it in P5 2.0.1. It's a little easier now in 2.5. For an example in use: [Track] Maple Syrup. For a Sonar import slant: [here] and [here] in the same thread.
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:38 AM
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Thanks for the pointers! Doesn't seem to be a demo for P5/2.5? Looking at the options it look like you can: 1 - ReWire & capture MIDI but this is a bit fiddly 2 - ReWire and use a virtual MIDI cable (additional software) and simply 'plugin' the two items of software I am surprised that Cakewalk haven't realised the potential for having P5 as a compositional tool used as a precursor for finishing in Sonar. When I say 'realised' I mean implemented. I am certain they have considered it. Currently I use Live for composition. It is excellent in that capacity but the arp in P5 is to die for... well almost  . If the workflow from P5 to Sonar was effortless, then that would make P5 very appealing to me. As it is, I am sorely tempted with the new price - but only due to the new price (and that arp...). While we are on the topic of instruments... yes I would love to have Dimension Pro & Rapture. They serve different purposes and I want 'em! My wallet is begging for mercy however so it will have to wait 
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syrath
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:47 AM
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You get 3 GB worth of Dimension Pro with Project5 V2 boxed. Other than the arpeggiator, its quite easy to transfer your midi into another host. Rewire appears to run relatively stable in its current form, certainly its not as bad as it was for me when I first tried it. There is a web demo that used to be on the cakewalk site, I assume its taken down because of the P5.com update and it will eventually filter through in V2.5 form there. It, however, can still be downloaded from here
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xylyx
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 9:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: b rock
The instructions for the workaround are [here]. True, Rob, but while still valid, that link details the way to do it in P5 2.0.1. It's a little easier now in 2.5.
I was going to say that someone needs to update the wiki to reflect the newer way, but I see from the other thread that you appear to be on the case  Even with the built-in midi out, it's still not the most elegant way for doing this, but until something better is implemented in P5 I guess you have to make do with what there is...
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 10:20 AM
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with the built-in midi out, it's still not the most elegant way for doing this Agreed. I have to believe that the arp write-to-track was on the table, yet didn't make the 2.5 cut. I'd love to see that, yet I still don't think that the implementation would be as versatile as virtual ports. The beauty and rewards of a virtual scheme include blending as many arpeggiators as you like together, and pointing that mixture to a single destination synth. There's no technical limit on the number of arps that I can find; only practicality and good taste. I don't think you'd see that in an integrated feature. Add the ability to port over to any another MIDI-capable application in real time (as it currently stands). It's possible that other MFX would print to track in an integrated feature; given the position of the arp in the chain. The difference for me is that I can do all of this right now. Check out the Maple VMP, Rob. I think it's the easiest tactic yet. Unlike MIDI-Ox, it really does prevent MIDI feedback. If you screw up a routing, you just don't get any sound. Look for the track number that's blocked solid and doesn't flash.
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xylyx
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 12:18 AM
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I downloaded it earlier when I saw you make mention of it in the other post...I uninstalled Midi-Ox a while ago, as it was proving to be too much of a pain at times. I'll give this one a go sometime this weekend...
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RE: Am I reading this right?
June 22, 07 6:47 PM
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The new pricing and downloadable brings customers.... I am an example.
I have always been interested in P5, but not THAT interested. I saw a post on KVR about the new pricing, followed the link, and I now own it for $99USD. I do not really care about the mega sample set (but even the download version contains some) since I have the VSTi's that I want and most of the sounds and effects I want. I think for the person that already has synths and effects the download version is an awesome deal. Blows away FL Studio and other low cost options. I hope it does well, as P5 is a vastly underrated product.
Plus, I don't have boxes and goofy CD's to keep up with. (yes I have backups of all software, including off-site copy's)
Just don't get X1 
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