What features do you want in P5 now?

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2007/10/20 06:06:31 (permalink)

What features do you want in P5 now?

The 2.5 release has come and gone so I was interested in what everyone wanted feature-wise in P5 now.

Here's my top 3:
* Spline automation (I think that's what the kids are calling it) - where you can edit automation as a vector curve rather than drawing it in
* Spline automation for volume/pan overlayed on all patterns - yes, instant fade ins/outs on all audio clips, editable over audio clips rather than in a separate pattern (or with track based automation.. if you change you arrangement it gets very clumsy). I don't know how many times I've automated track volume or pan, only to find my mix levels are out, so it would be better to auatomate volume and pan at a lower level (ie per individual objects on a track)
* Dedicated mixer - it shouldn't be visible by default, but if we're mixing it would be great to be able to open a proper mixer to... mix with :) It doesn't need to look like hardware (definitely not!), but there's nothing like having each track lined up side by side with large faders and clear clipping meters to make the job easier!
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    sipherious
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/20 09:39:37 (permalink)
    I agree, the mixer should have the tracks volume levels marked in db. I would also like to see a mute tool and the spline/ vector automation the current way is clumsy at best.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/20 15:59:15 (permalink)
    Excellent that someone has started a thread that epitomizes the *right* way to ask for features and improvements. Here's mine again.

    1) Multicore support
    2) x64 support
    3) Node-and-line/curve automation a la Sonar
    4) Useful metering in the track inspector and on the master volume meter (and build something like EA Inspector into a master bus track inspector.)

    We already know #1 and #2 are coming, out of the horse's mouth, probably in v.3. My #3 ('better' automation) and #4 ('better' metering) have been requested so many times by so many people that I would be amazed if they don't show up, at least in v.3.

    I'm not expecting anything earth-shattering in the promised upcoming 'point' release, at least if it's going to come before the end of the year. Probably bugfixes and streamlining. Hey, if they do something big, I'll be pleasantly surprised.


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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/20 16:04:16 (permalink)
    My feature requests are support for multicore (which the developers has said is in the works), a 64bit version (which the developers has said is in the works), and dB markings on the meters.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/20 16:10:48 (permalink)
    Node and line automation
    Multicore Support
    More flexible routing (the ability to bus from a bus, and the ability to select the output of a track or bus to another bus)
    Sidechaining

    EDIT - I missed Where Am I in controller surfaces , its a pita only being able to address the first 8 audio outputs.
    post edited by syrath - 2007/10/20 17:22:16
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/20 16:53:50 (permalink)
    Interesting.... the user requests' lists are way shorter this year. A good sign for Project5.

    I know ACT is a general Cakewalk plugin but "ACT 2.0" with more cells?

    I find it hard to request more Project5 features without implying Sonar Home Studio.

    Maybe I should go into the SonarHS forum and request a Groove Matrix.....



    I have authentic analog drum machine samples.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 12:32:44 (permalink)
    I'm a new user, so I don't know everything, but I think some things could be added so we can quickly try different arrangements when making a song :
    - to be able to mute notes in patterns, and clips in arrange view or matrix
    - markers of some sort, or locators memories

    JP
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 13:21:03 (permalink)
    multi project files open, so that I can cut and paste between projects. maybe be able to copy a whole effects chain without saving it, and paste it on another track.

    line node automation please :)

    I would also like to be able to grab a section of my midi pattern, and just seperate it where i cut it, and have it become a seperate midi pattern if so desired.

      
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 13:31:10 (permalink)
    Well apart form the obvious (multicore, better aux routing) I'd go for:

    Bulk wav export for import to "other" daw tools
    Some sort of Audio snap implementation with better audio algorithms (than presently available in P5)
    Sidechain support

    and most importantly

    ONE FEATURE NO OTHER DAW or "Live" TOOL has.

    I don't know what it is, but we've got to stop thinking in a "catch up way" all the time...

    Andy
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 14:17:53 (permalink)
    ins. support would be nice.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 14:39:51 (permalink)
    ONE FEATURE NO OTHER DAW or "Live" TOOL has.
    Per-track MIDI LFO in the Track Inspector.
    - generates selectable waveforms, with 2 user-defined slots for loading waveshapes.
    - submixer for grouping / blending multiple MIDI LFO waveshapes together.
    - routes to track automation, the arpeggiator, synth, effects, or to MIDI out.
    - tempo sync / frequency switch.
    - latch / unlatch switch.
    - count parameter from 1 -16; infinite.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 14:54:57 (permalink)
    1) Drag and drop Rex files into the groove matrix and traditional tracks

    2) Audio Snap...



     Yes.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 15:43:27 (permalink)
    Multi core/cpu, x64...
    Sonar link... think "Seamless" (CW marketspeak)
    Easier insert measure.

    ggg

    It was all so different, before everything changed...

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 17:24:18 (permalink)
    1.) Multi-core support
    2.) Multi-core support
    3.) Multi-core support
    4.) Improved preset scrolling for Arp
    5.) Darker color scheme
    6.) 64-bit audio engine
    7.) Song/ Section markers
    8.) Completed Plugin Manager a la Sonar (must have)
    9.) Width controlable by control surfaces (MCU)
    10.) Multi-core support

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:00:50 (permalink)
    Multi adaptive corning diffusion.

    Elective note evolution.

    Dual spring CC node adjustment.

    Internal audio multi flam on count tpqn elapsed time configuration.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:09:52 (permalink)
    And if we could finally be compatile with the new flu-capacitor converter ... supposed to blow the socks off of PCM.

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:15:18 (permalink)
    And if we could finally be compatile with the new flu-capacitor converter


    Sure you don't mean the Interocitor ?

    Andy
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:22:53 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Andy C

    And if we could finally be compatile with the new flu-capacitor converter


    Sure you don't mean the Interocitor ?

    Andy


    Actually I meant to write flux-capacitor converter, but it would be cool if I could finally use my Interocitor with P5.

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:43:57 (permalink)
    Youve got me googling now.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 18:49:32 (permalink)
    While you're at it, will you find out if P5V3 will work with the new, top-secret VST4 spec? Its supposed to utilize 128-bit internal audio resolution ;-)

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/22 20:15:50 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Andy C

    And if we could finally be compatile with the new flu-capacitor converter


    Sure you don't mean the Interocitor ?

    Andy


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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/24 18:18:54 (permalink)
    1) a better "zoom in" feature
    2) allow the "piano keys" in the pattern creator to display the sample name each key represents somehow (even if it's only a scroll-over feature)
    3) a "bad idea" alert mechanism, so that i don't waste hours developing bad ideas only to realize hours later that i wasted hours developing a bad idea

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/24 22:47:44 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wetdentist

    2) allow the "piano keys" in the pattern creator to display the sample name each key represents somehow (even if it's only a scroll-over feature)


    I just wish it allowed you to 'name' keys in the editor, so that you can map drum sets like Velocity and Npulse do automatically.... Like, right-click on a key, and then type in whatever you want. "Kick" for example. When using Battery or other key=sound sampler it would be very very useful.


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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 00:15:47 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Andy C

    and most importantly

    ONE FEATURE NO OTHER DAW or "Live" TOOL has.

    I don't know what it is, but we've got to stop thinking in a "catch up way" all the time...

    Andy


    How 'bout Tetris or some other game in the DAW, so we can play a game right in the DAW when we're having mental blocks and the creativity just isn't flowing? Or what about the ability to click a button in P5 and suddenly pizza and my favorite beverage appear at my house within 30 minutes or its free?

    Or perhaps, more realistically, some type of online collaboration tool built into the application, where users can collaborate in real-time (or close to real-time, allowing for latency in the Internet)?

    Pizza and games would be nice too, though.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 03:37:13 (permalink)
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 05:47:32 (permalink)
    All the above plus allowing to use Project5 as a VSTi inside another host similar to FLStudio or energyXT
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 10:56:23 (permalink)
    1) Ability to change the velocity at which notes are painted in with the mouse in to the pattern editor

    2) Although technically I don't know why, but dual-core would seem to allow much more powerful processors to run P5 much more efficiently and quickly, so I'm all for it.

    3) As many of Sonar's transport and navigation features as can be included, especially the ability to switch between using or not using sticky now time without having to use a key combination.

    4) Full mapping of P5 transport features, including the ones in my "3)" for Frontier's Tranzport, et al., as well as when mapping to an Edirol PCR controller. You will notice that P5 exposes significantly less global transport parameters than does Sonar for the same controller.

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 11:47:31 (permalink)
    What features do you want in P5 now?


    None. I already have Sonar 7 PE.

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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 11:47:39 (permalink)
    Basically, I'd like P5 to be exactly like Sonar 7, only with a $99 price tag. (edit: fac beat me to it by 8 seconds!)

    Joking aside, I agree with most of the requests, especially:

    1) multi-core support
    2) line/node automation
    3) darker color scheme (or, customizable colors)
    4) markers
    5) more flexible bus routing

    New synths, a sampler, and/or other new effects are always welcome. I'd also like to see an improvement in the way P5 handles multi-timbral synth tracks. And, of course, the longstanding request for better integration with Sonar.
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    RE: What features do you want in P5 now? 2007/10/25 17:25:52 (permalink)
    Oh yeah, markers. But I guess that falls under my "As many of Sonar's transport and navigation features as can be included".

    I get the feeling based on music law #1 (musician = wiseass) that the last posts by fac and cryophonik are made tongue-in-cheek. If so, then what I'm hearing their sarcasm communicate is: "Why is anyone even mentioning Sonar? This is the Project 5 forum. If you like Sonar, then get out of our sandbox and go use Sonar." Like mentioning these Sonar features as applied to Project5 is taking some kind of unrealistic approach. Why is that? How could Project5 not benefit from the navigational and technical advancements which its older sibling seems to have, such as markers, better transport mapping, sticky now time without a key combination, dual-core support, etc... As long as Project5 retains its "style", which I don't think these enhancements would in any way jeopardize, then why not make it easier to use?

    It's almost like there's this reverse elitism around the P5 forums, i.e. "We don't want Project5 improved. We like not having the more advanced features of Sonar. Some of us don't even want the program to be developed towards a v3 release." Why is that? Makes no sense.

    I'm starting a project today, and I was again presented with the decision whether or not to use P5 or Sonar(7). I would love to start the basic germs (patterns) of this project in P5. But with no way to easily move the whole project over to Sonar (and no I'm not talking about rewire, or saving individual patterns and then importing them one by one), it's just not practical, and that kind of makes me sad, since I really want to use Project5 along side of Sonar.

    What I want, is for Project 5's main features - the pattern editor, the arrange pane, the groove matrix, to be build right in to Sonar. Make it an option. I'll pay for it. I don't want to have 2 programs open at the same time, and I don't want to have to keep track of every pattern and softsynth setup in P5 in order to later duplicate it in Sonar when I make the more at that point in the project. That's just not a professional workflow. I'm amazed the company seems like they're going to keep these two programs so separate. They really go together nicely. It's just that they should all come off one main container, and as much as the P5 die-hards hate to hear this, that container should be Sonar, IMO.

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