Record MIDI Track Playback To Another MIDI Track

OK, I give up. Why do you need to do this? There may be other ways but if you're using an external midi device it's easy enough by connecting the MIDI THRU of the external device to the MIDI IN of your computer's midi interface. This assumes you have the MIDI OUT of the Midi Interface connected to the MIDI IN of the external device. You'll have to make sure you don't get a midi data loop going but that's simple enough.

Hi Michael:

One way you can record the MIDI playback of one MIDI track to another MIDI track is to have and use two MIDI devices of which each has a MIDI IN and MIDI Out. Make sure both MIDI devices are selected for use in SONAR via Options/MIDI Devices from the SONAR toolbar.

Connections:

Connect MIDI device 1 MIDI out to MIDI device 2 MIDI In

SONAR Setup:
 
In SONAR, select MIDI Device 1 as the output for the playback MIDI track.
Select MIDI device 2 as the input for the MIDI tack you want to record and arm this track.

Make sure you have the metronome turned off or it's signal will also be recorded to the armed midi track.

Hit record and the midi data from the MIDI playback track will be recorded to the MIDI track you setup to record.

I don't know what operating system you're using, so for what it's worth, there is a virtual MIDI cable called MIDI Yoke that can enable you to do what I described above without the use of 2 hardware MIDI devices. However, MIDI Yoke is only compatible with certain operating systems.

You can go to the MIDI Yoke site and read a bit there if you're interested. Here's the link: http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?<a href=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm

MIDI OX is a MIDI utility at the same site, and it's compatible with Vista (only Vista 32 Bit, I think), yet you may be able to use MIDI OX as a virtual cable to do what you want, but I'm not sure. It's been a long time since I read up on MIDI OX and MIDI Yoke, but you might want to do some reading at that site,

Cya.

Sounds like to me, he actually wants to record the excat midi data to a new MIDI track in real time, for some reason.

Hi Michael-

If you want to record the MIDI output of a synth on another MIDI track, first check "Enable MIDI Output" when you insert it (or right-click under its Connected button in the Synth Rack and enable it there).

Then you'll have the synth as a MIDI input for other tracks. I do this with Jamstix and the RealGuitars, for example.

Is that what you're talking about?

-Susan

Hi Drew-

If I read this correctly, what the OP wants to do is merge several individual midi tracks into a single new midi track.

I'm not sure, but I took the emphasized part below to mean he can't just use copy/paste for whatever reason.

I know I can simply copy and paste tracks into other tracks but I do need to actually playback my score and record selected tracks onto another MIDI track.

I guess we'll find out!

-Susan

EDIT: Come to think of it, he'd still have to merge the recorded MIDI output tracks if he needs to end up with one from multiple recorded MIDI tracks. At this point my imagination fails, and I'm really curious what Michael's trying to do!

Michael_uk


I am using Sonar 8.5 and working with MIDI tracks.

I know how to bounce MIDI to Audio but I would like to be able to bounce one or more MIDI tracks to another MIDI track.

I know I can simply copy and paste tracks into other tracks but I do need to actually playback my score and record selected tracks onto another MIDI track.

I know this does sound a strange request but can this be done and if so how?

Thanks.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1573767

The definitive answer.... and it is not a strange request at all, despite some of the replies you've gotten here, trust me there are many reasons this type of routing can be useful, most of which only become apparent after you've tried it.

btw the author B Rock really is the man, and it's worth just doing a search on any of his threads as there is generally something really useful in all of them.

Using the method I described above, you can record the actual MIDI output directly to another track without leaving SONAR or using a virtual cable.

Hi Susan,

Of course any VSTi capable of outputting midi is using its own 'built in' virtual midi routing.

Picking up on your comment above there does seem to be some reluctance by some to use a VMC, which aside from there not being a good 64 bit implementation that I know of that I don't quite understand. 

If it was hardware synths being used nobody would bat an eyelid at going out and buying as many (less reliable real ones 'cause the dog can chew them!) midi cables and routing solutions required so as to enable them to do precisely what they want.

I installed the Maple VMC's ages ago and forgot about them aside from the fact they always just show up like any other midi connection in Sonar providing all sorts of routing flexibility with zero issues at all.

I'm not suggesting that you are one of those that baulk at using VMC's but I sometimes wonder given the flexibility and fun they provide why some do.

Susan G


Hi Jonbuoy-

Of course any VSTi capable of outputting midi is using its own 'built in' virtual midi routing.

In the case of the VSTis I mentioned (Real* guitars from MusicLab, in particular), it's not a question of "virtual MIDI routing", as I understand it. They actually "create" MIDI output "live", if you will, based on the MIDI input, so it's the same as if the final result is further processed by an arpeggiator, etc. That's not the same as outputting its own MIDI directly.

I'm talking about something like this: http://www.musiclab.com/c...m/viewtopic.php?t=2942

I use VMCs all the time, but not for VSTis that create MIDI "on the fly".

-Susan

Yes, thanks. I understand what the Musiclab stuff does so where does it shoot the midi it creates out of if it don't use its own 'virtual' midi out?..

I'm just saying I don't understand the perceived reluctance of some to use VMC's when clearly they are indeed using them often without realising that they are.

I don't even know why I chose to get on my soapbox about it here myself though if the truth be known...

I guess I've been found out to have a deep-rooted passion for VMCs that I clearly have no control over.