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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/13 22:44:43
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How long do you want it to be? My 808 is modded to function from no decay to infinite oscillation.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 00:16:38
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ORIGINAL: bigbonthabeat
hey everyone!
I'm usually not a fan of trying to sound like someone else, but I was wondering how to get that LONG, DRAWN OUT 808 bass. Is it a sound? Or is there something you have to do in the mixing stage?
thanks!
COMPRESSION...And Lots f it. I can't believe with all these posts telling you to get a mod kit, Use samples a elongate the decay and all, nobody told you the real way. WTF?
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 04:31:08
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ORIGINAL: kreeper_6
ORIGINAL: bigbonthabeat
hey everyone!
I'm usually not a fan of trying to sound like someone else, but I was wondering how to get that LONG, DRAWN OUT 808 bass. Is it a sound? Or is there something you have to do in the mixing stage?
thanks!
COMPRESSION...And Lots f it. I can't believe with all these posts telling you to get a mod kit, Use samples a elongate the decay and all, nobody told you the real way. WTF?
wtf are YOU talking about - so the REAL way of achieving a sound from an existing drummachine is using samples??? well thats something very new...btw why would compression be your best tip? why not just edit the "sample" in a wave editor and cut the click or level it down - that results in a much smother tone cos most compressors (all) suck at ultrafast attacks - so he will at least have some unwanted klicking in front of the boooom- sound ....btw he might not even need a sample because he could do it with any sine (as others suggested) or with almost every synth using resonance and cutoff the proper way (as others suggested) or he could follow my detailed post n. 15 where there there is described a nice alternative with the most important details.... so please keep to the facts instead of implying that we are all morons...
post edited by info@tomflair.com - 2008/09/14 05:14:43
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 04:39:41
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ORIGINAL: LAW
How long do you want it to be? My 808 is modded to function from no decay to infinite oscillation.
hi . .what mod do you have? the one from analogue solutions or did you completely do it yourself??? just in cas send me a pm - thanks :-)
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 05:42:18
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hi . .what mod do you have? the one from analogue solutions or did you completely do it yourself???
just in cas send me a pm - thanks :-)
Hello Tom! I did the modding myself. It involves replacing a resister as described at hyppereal's musicmachine pages, located here: http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Roland/TR-808/ I apologize, because I can't remember what value resister I used. It was around 13-14 years ago. But the value mentioned as a starting point (100k @ R169) in the article produced way too much self-oscillation, at around 10 'o clock on the knob, rendering the rest useless. mod at your own risk You didn't ask, but other mods I've done include relocating potentiometers to the outside so I can control: noise generator level, clap intensity, and tune the individual pitches of the cowbell from the outside of the case. Oh, and to the person who said to just use a SINE generator, that works pretty good.....check out the STOMPER software, a good wave generating program. But I will say that the 808 wave is dirtier than a SINE wave. The distortion created makes it sound much more aggressive. Just put a hi-pass filter on an 808 BD track. You'll hear what I mean. Best regards!
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 05:51:25
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 05:57:56
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 06:06:35
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ORIGINAL: LAW
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hi . .what mod do you have? the one from analogue solutions or did you completely do it yourself???
just in cas send me a pm - thanks :-)
Hello Tom!
I did the modding myself. It involves replacing a resister as described at hyppereal's musicmachine pages, located here:
http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Roland/TR-808/
I apologize, because I can't remember what value resister I used. It was around 13-14 years ago. But the value mentioned as a starting point (100k @ R169) in the article produced way too much self-oscillation, at around 10 'o clock on the knob, rendering the rest useless.
mod at your own risk
You didn't ask, but other mods I've done include relocating potentiometers to the outside so I can control: noise generator level, clap intensity, and tune the individual pitches of the cowbell from the outside of the case.
Oh, and to the person who said to just use a SINE generator, that works pretty good.....check out the STOMPER software, a good wave generating program. But I will say that the 808 wave is dirtier than a SINE wave. The distortion created makes it sound much more aggressive. Just put a hi-pass filter on an 808 BD track. You'll hear what I mean.
Best regards!
hi thanks for reply.... actually i have read a lot about the different mods on the net and talked to some freaks too....but since i am new to hardware modding and soldering and stuff i am a buist sceptic about doing it cos i donrt wanna ruin my 808 :-) one thing i am not so shure is about how a modding - when set into neutral position - might still change the very original sound - cos in the end there is a small difference in the electric circuit....i talked to the mastermind of analouge solutions in uk and he said that his outboard box with the added pots has no declared "neutral" position....so this disturbes me a bit because i would be able to have the "completely original sound" always at my fingertips...(guess i just would have to recored the original pitches and then tune the modded unit to that and make little marks on the extra box - but that isnt very elegant... how do you do this - did you also built the ext-box yourself??? could i have problems at reverting everything to the original - desoldering the mod? - as you see i am very precautious... maybe i should start modding my polysix to get some experience - cos it only costs a quarter of the 808.. what happens actually if i do a total mod: midi/tonal everything possible - any risk of damage (not while modding) while using the unit - any risk of sort of "overload" the board??? any advice would be great - thanks ps: the guy with the sine advice was me (just to make myself a compliment  ) 
post edited by info@tomflair.com - 2008/09/14 06:08:14
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 06:24:36
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Well, I will say that I totally understand what you're saying about modding your precious 808. Not sure I would have the balls to do it today. But I was young and good with the soldering iron, at the time.
These circuit boards are old and the solder points are pretty small. If you do mod, make sure to have the correct size solder tip, and make sure not to overheat the joint. They've been known to melt away from the circuit board.
To answer your question, I do not have an external box. My controls are on the sides of the 808's case. 3 on the right side, and 1 on the left. But they are pretty small.
I did sample the sounds of my unit, before the mods, and I have to say the circuits are so simple on the 808, that getting your original settings back is not hard at all. Don't get me wrong, you can get some whacky sounding stuff to happen. But in the end, you'll be able to make your machine sound better than was possible before the mods, provided they are done correctly.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 06:33:56
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ORIGINAL: LAW
Well, I will say that I totally understand what you're saying about modding your precious 808. Not sure I would have the balls to do it today. But I was young and good with the soldering iron, at the time.
These circuit boards are old and the solder points are pretty small. If you do mod, make sure to have the correct size solder tip, and make sure not to overheat the joint. They've been known to melt away from the circuit board.
To answer your question, I do not have an external box. My controls are on the sides of the 808's case. 3 on the right side, and 1 on the left. But they are pretty small.
I did sample the sounds of my unit, before the mods, and I have to say the circuits are so simple on the 808, that getting your original settings back is not hard at all. Don't get me wrong, you can get some whacky sounding stuff to happen. But in the end, you'll be able to make your machine sound better than was possible before the mods, provided they are done correctly.
yeah my biggest concern is to destroy the original soldering points by soldering a new wire to them... isnt there any way to connect the wires with an alternative material that works without heating - have you ever heard about trying it like this: what if i just soldered the wires of the cable to a sort of "flat pin" - i then just could lay that on the soldering point on the circuit and fix it with some other material like removable glue or something like that ....or would you say that the contact might be too poor to let enough electricity flow.... btw...have the soldering points on the circuit the same properties (melting point) as normal soldering tin (or what its called in english) as far as i know there is some low temperature soldering material - that might prevent damages - hey sorry for nerving you with my questions - and i wont blame you if i bust the 808 !!
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 06:44:23
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I believe the best thing is to just solder the board, in the long run. It would be frustrating to have to take things apart to keep fixing intermittent circuits, not to mention potentially damaging the machine.
BTW, when you open the 808, be sure to be careful of the control knobs on the face. The metal top is pretty sharp, and has been known to break the edges of knobs, causing the little orange and white tops to fall out.
There is nothing special about the solder tin on these boards. Melts like any other. But the solder points on the boards are pretty small, so getting heat into them is an exacting process. Which could lead to overheating, if not careful.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 07:09:07
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ORIGINAL: LAW
I believe the best thing is to just solder the board, in the long run. It would be frustrating to have to take things apart to keep fixing intermittent circuits, not to mention potentially damaging the machine.
BTW, when you open the 808, be sure to be careful of the control knobs on the face. The metal top is pretty sharp, and has been known to break the edges of knobs, causing the little orange and white tops to fall out.
There is nothing special about the solder tin on these boards. Melts like any other. But the solder points on the boards are pretty small, so getting heat into them is an exacting process. Which could lead to overheating, if not careful.
thanks - as soon i have done my supermod (in the next month) i will post my results... ps: do you have a midi mod also? i am not sure about that one - on one hand id like to play the sounds with velocity on the other hand iam am not shure about overdoing .... does in your opinion the fantastic groove of the 808 come more from the sounds or from the sequencer? actually its pretty amazing how even simple beats dont get annyoing with a 808, while i almost fall asleep with loops made within battery (using best quality samples) so i really wonder if its the small analog unaccuracies in the tone generators or a small (not counsciously noticable) "swing" (just let me call it like this) in the sequencer ....or maybe both !!! i am pretty curious to hera how the feeling changes (if it does) when i will sync the 808 to sonar with the doepfer sync box i will get tomorrow.. cheers & thanks
post edited by info@tomflair.com - 2008/09/14 07:10:42
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 14:39:33
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I do not have MIDI on mine. Never seen a need for it. And yeah, I think the sequencer has character that is unique to each machine, and I always set Sonar's BPM to match the 808's tempo, when I use it.
My offers stands to the original poster. Choose the sample length and I will make it happen.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/14 15:57:17
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ORIGINAL: bigbonthabeat
I'm trying to get the kind of BASS LINE similar to Drumma Boy's beats...ex) Young Jeezy
i'm confused. you realize that an 808 is not a "bass" at all, right? it's a model of drum machine originally produced in the early 1980s by the super advanced technology departments and extremely generous and sincere marketing folks at roland industries... ...ok, so the brown-nosing won't get me an endorsement, but i can try right?
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 13:21:03
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Try this: great set of 808 samples (rated 10 for 10 by Computer Music magazine), versions available for Battery (will also load into DR-008, which is how I use it), Refill, iDrum, and WAV, all pretty inexpensive at $24 formatted for one of the preceding, $19 for WAV alone.
Regards, lightninrick
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 15:51:48
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dont worry 
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 18:17:33
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If you don't have an 808 handy (or reasonable sample), I quite often will set up a floor tom on it's side with the bottom head removed and place it directly in front of the kick (about 4 feet away). I point the open bottom side of the floor tom directly at the kick. I usually remove the front head off the kick as well to deliver more air movement to the floor tom. I tune the head very low (sometimes to a pitch reltative to the particular song), remove all muting so it rings a long time, and close mic the head. The sympathetic air pressure from the kick excites the floor tom head and gets a nice long ring. I also, of course, mic the kick drum batter head, and sometimes put a speaker-mic in front of the kick as well (which I've posted about before). With two or three tracks of kick, some compression, and EQ I can usually get just what i want. The dynamics of the sympathetic ring from the tom always perfectly track the drummers nuances, as is often not the case with triggers (i.e. grace notes). If the floor tom ring is too long, I can put and expander gate on it to shorten the ringing so it leave room for the following snare hit. I've also done this by reamping the kick track and with a speaker into the ringing floor tom.
There are many other more common ways to do this, including gating a low frequency oscilator with your kick track as has no doubt been mentioned.
Another tip, don't overlook using a multiband comp on the kick mic on the batter head. Really good for finding the low end, wiping out the mid/boxy sound, and blending in just the right amount of beater snap on top.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 21:51:21
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Tom, you are a moron I guess. Never did I say use a sample. The fact remains, the long ass 808 bass is done with compression on an 808 with the decay POT next to maxxed. Unless of course he is talking about the "Bass Drop" which was originally done with a pitched down sample & compression of course. A compressor would sustain the decay, and so far I haven't seen a sine wave replace an 808 yet. Wonder why?
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 23:08:49
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/15 23:26:18
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Drumagog has a killer 808 that I use a lot. It's under the "Purrrfect Kicks" category and is called, "Premier 20 - Single (Wide)".
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/16 00:38:42
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I just want to interject again...Sonar includes the Roland GrooveSynth (Roland being the maker of the TR-808), which includes the full 808 and 909 kits. It has a tuning control and adjustments for cutoff and resonance. The sound you're talking about is in there. The low, booming, long 808 kick. I've used it.
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2008/09/16 14:45:15
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I just want to interject again...Sonar includes the Roland GrooveSynth (Roland being the maker of the TR-808), which includes the full 808 and 909 kits. It has a tuning control and adjustments for cutoff and resonance. The sound you're talking about is in there. The low, booming, long 808 kick. I've used it.
thanks! I'll try it out! How do I compress something to get the lower volume higher and the higher volume lower ?
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RE: * LONG 808 bass *
2011/05/16 14:41:12
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