Mike Kohlgraf
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/22 18:37:14
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If you aren't willing to accept those opinions, don't expose yourself to them...
Oh, I am always willing for opinions to improve anything I do in the mixing process... I may have come off a bit with the wrong tone. I simply tried to express that you can get a great master mix with the tools incorporated within Sonar. That doesn't mean that I think my mix is perfect by any means ... and it definitely isn't for the mp3 version. But, the wav sounds awefully nice! So, if you have suggestions to improve my mp3 mix, I'd love to hear them!!! Cheers, Mike
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deleter47
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/22 19:24:52
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I've been using Curve E. Q. like this lately......I'll capture a spectrum from a great reference track....match a song to that spectrum say 30 bands.....look at the curve....go back to my mix adjust this and that.....run Curve again....go back and adjust the mix....sometimes even rerecording a part......ect....ect....when I get all the little dots within 3db or less it usually sounds pretty good. It's been like going to E. Q. school. I figure if I can get my mixes really really close to a matsered reference track it'll be much easier on the mastering engineer later. It just doesn't seem logical to rely on a single e.q.(at the end) to cover all of the many parts of a song.
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/22 20:27:28
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Thank you Sir , for catching my analogy.. every once in a blue moon I hit that sweet spot of satire... On a more serial note .. watching the PBS broadcasts on crafts(persons) {being PC here} in a case of woodworking,, I am understanding the concepts of the use of the proper tool for the job and the end result ...I was amazed at the Yankee Woodworking using HAND tools . whereas the next program used power tools to produce results... I have used my Sonar tools to massage my mix.. but for me Ozone has a lot more hand tools in the tool chest... and I have looked at waves and URS but my budget allows shopping at Harbor Freight... ORIGINAL: papa2004
LOL !!!!!!!!!! Exactly!
Ummm, I think you missed the point of the "wheelbarrow" reply...
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deleter47
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/25 08:12:41
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More detail.
I'll take my reference track and import it right into a project.....set the output to something I'm not using at the moment......insert the Schope's analyzer into the Main out buss....insert a send from the reference track to the Schope's input #2 in the main out buss....and compare the reference track with my main out in real time. The lows seem to give me the most trouble when I'm mixing....using Curve E. Q. as mentioned above along with the Schope's RTA, and Voxengo's Span really helps. I know this is not real mastering...but it gets the mix much closer so when mastering time comes at least the E. Q. is very close.
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Mike Kohlgraf
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/25 11:33:23
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Mike Kohlgraf
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/25 19:12:26
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The only reason I was asking for feedback on the above:
I believe that a good mix only needs mastering when it goes onto a CD ... for a single tune, there is no such thing as mastering. There is such a thing I call a "master mix", though.
What I was trying to get input on was the compression/limiting thing ... this last tune I posted has NONE whatsoever. So, what, if anything can be improved to make this a perfect mix??? I've already stated what I used ... how is the compression on the 320 kbps mp3??? Same as on the previous tune??? If so, I have a serious problem ... left the master bus alone...
Need help, pls!
Cheers,
Mike
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/25 20:18:31
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Move all of the rhythm guitars to the left or right, there are too many instruments down the center. Kick drum is non existent. The horns, left or right not in the middle.
If you are going to rotate solo, move the focal instrument to the center then off to the right or left to make room for the next soloist. One solo at a time. Piano and guitar are fighting the focus a little over half the way through. Overall the mix is a little left side light. The middle and right a little too dominant, except when the piano comes in which fills out the left side.
Here's the way I would approach this:
Right side - Organ and the trombone (take the volume down on the horn when not soloing, ie. just filling the sound.)
Middle - Lead or any solo
Left - Piano and the rhythm guitar (Take the volume of this guitar down a tad)
Drum levels are low on the kick, get that up to the same level as the bass. Snare, is perfect.
Put a snappy compressor like the Precision UAD Buss compressor to tame the guitar transients and the piano too. If you don't have that one try the New Multiband in Sonar. If you don't have that one the older Sonitus Multiband will do. Follow this by Boost 11 set to final master.
Finally, you ended the song too quick. Should have let those instruments hold the last note and faded them out. Would have sounded better.
Just one mixers opinion, take it or leave it but that's what I am hearing.
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ara
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/25 21:10:39
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Wait, its a really cool tune, but man is it mushy. How would you clear the mix up ? If it was cleared up it would be awesome. Ara www.aratunes.us
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/26 02:47:13
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Mike Kohlgraf
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RE: Mastering Plugins
2008/10/26 03:29:13
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Very good ears and I agree with ALMOST everything you say. Very nice advice indeed!!! Thanks you SO MUCH!!! I really appreciate all the help I can get! Cheers, Mike ORIGINAL: Middleman
Move all of the rhythm guitars to the left or right, there are too many instruments down the center. Kick drum is non existent. The horns, left or right not in the middle.
If you are going to rotate solo, move the focal instrument to the center then off to the right or left to make room for the next soloist. One solo at a time. Piano and guitar are fighting the focus a little over half the way through. Overall the mix is a little left side light. The middle and right a little too dominant, except when the piano comes in which fills out the left side.
Here's the way I would approach this:
Right side - Organ and the trombone (take the volume down on the horn when not soloing, ie. just filling the sound.)
Middle - Lead or any solo
Left - Piano and the rhythm guitar (Take the volume of this guitar down a tad)
Drum levels are low on the kick, get that up to the same level as the bass. Snare, is perfect.
Put a snappy compressor like the Precision UAD Buss compressor to tame the guitar transients and the piano too. If you don't have that one try the New Multiband in Sonar. If you don't have that one the older Sonitus Multiband will do. Follow this by Boost 11 set to final master.
Finally, you ended the song too quick. Should have let those instruments hold the last note and faded them out. Would have sounded better.
Just one mixers opinion, take it or leave it but that's what I am hearing.
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