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Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
Hi, ya'll, again, and again -
I just got Sonar 8 and have installed all of the updates, etc., on a new computer - Vista 64-bit with an i7 chipset and using EMU 1820 soundcard. I am now looking to install some of the other programs I use with Sonar (I have been using Sonar 5 on an XP computer). I have a post concerning a problem with VSampler 3.52 (my other MAIN sound source libraries). So before I do the deed with the Garritan libraries (GPO with K1 - I upgraded to K2 on the old computer - and JABB and CAMB) I wanted to get some ideas from those of you who "have been there and done that" as to how to most efficiently and effectively get this done.
From other posts, I noted that some said you can do a full install with one program that has the K2 player, then just install the sounds from the other libraries. They indicated that the installed K2 would find the other libraries and incorporate them in its programming. This would be nice, but it is also my understanding that (at least some of) the sounds with GPO K1 cannot be used by K2 and that is why the upgrade would be necessary, again (I had he*&% getting the upgrade done the first time).
So before I attempt this, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or comments on how to best go about this.
Thanx, thanx, thanx (do I sound like Gomer Pyle?)
Frank
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 9:22 AM
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I just installed my garritan libraries on my new studio pooter,
load form DVD, then download the K2 update (actually its on 3 now)--authorise
I seem to have had no problems, though I havent heard of an issue with backwards compatability
hope this helps
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 9:38 AM
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Artsoul -
Thanx for the speedy Reply.
Did you use a link from the Garritan website for the GPO K2 update (to 3.5, now????) or did you go somewhere else for the update link?
Also, is the registration with NI Service Center an automatic link when you first bring up a newly installed program? (This happened when I first looked at Guitar Rig 3 after the Sonar 8 installation. I was automatically taken to the NI Service Center and asked for the serial numbers for GPO and GR3. I didn't have a sticker with the Pocket Orchestra's serial number on the installation disks, so I used the GPO K1 serial number. NI accepted it).
Frank
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 9:45 AM
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I used the NI service centre, after updating it to the newest version, and for once it all seemed to nwork ok
the GPO sticker is on the manual
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 10:21 AM
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Artsoul -
But where is it that you went for the link to get the GPO update?
Also, my Sonar 8 manual has no stickers on it - front, back, inside of front, inside of back, first few pages, last few pages. -- Sonar !?!?!?
But, like I said, NI accepted the old GPO K1 serial number. So I hope that I am not 'screwed' when I try to register the full GPO (after upgrade) with NI.
Frank
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July 28, 09 10:50 AM
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the NI site after you login has everything, the serial number is on the GPO manual
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 11:04 AM
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Oh, Artsoul -
I've never seen a GPO manual or JABB or CAMB manual except what might be on the Garritan website (or used to be).
The serial numbers for these programs are on my CD cases. Was I supposed to get some sort of manual for the Pocket GPO? I can't even find a folder for the Pocket GPO, like there are folders for Dimension Pro, Revolver, etc.
So what you are telling me is news to me. Also, the couple of times that I have accessed the NI Service Center (with the desktop icon) I don't remember seeing something to Log-on with. It seemed to sense my computer ID and immediately (or from the get go) displayed the programs that are authorized (or, I guess, not yet authorized) to that computer. I wanted to ask a question, but didn't see a way to Contact them. (I have heard where there is a roundabout way to do this, but you almost have to stumble your way onto it).
I don't know, Artsoul, I have a very bad feeling that when I try to install this stuff, I'm going to have a real bad time of it.
Frank
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 11:09 AM
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ah its the garritan POCKET orchestra, i have garritan personal orchestra, then it should just load up with dimension
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July 28, 09 11:16 AM
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July 28, 09 11:17 AM
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remeber not to have "do not show files I have already downloaded" ticked
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 12:06 AM
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Maybe we are both getting all confused.
I have the GPO K1 CDs and I have upgrade to K2 on my old computer having Sonar 5. The Pocket Orchestra version should have been loaded onto my new computer when I installed my new Sonar 8. (I indeed confirmed that, presumably, the Pocket Orchestra files are on Dimension Pro). I want to install the full GPO (and JABB and CAMB) onto my new computer. Hence, my inquiry about the best way to do it.
When I accessed Guitar Rig 3 for the first time (after the Sonar 8 install), I got a screen that allowed me to register it with NI (through the Service Center). I selected "yes" or whatever, and it gave me a screen that asked for the serial numbers for "Garritan Personal Orchestra" and "Guitar Rig 3". I hadn't even confirmed that the Pocked Orchestra had been successfully downloaded with the Sonar 8 discs at that point. And I didn't (nor haven't) seen a sticker with the serial number on it for the Pocket Orchestra. So, since I thought that the Service Center might be referring to my full GPO version, I got my GPO CDs and used the serial number that was on the case. Then I entered the serial number for Guitar Rig 3 that on the sticker on that CD envelope (that was with Sonar 8). The Service Center then said that both were authorized.
I used the link that you gave me, above, and got what is a more familiar 'homepage' for the Service Center. I had previously asked them to consolidate my records onto my new email address account (new for them). From this screen I had to ask for each individual program, but all looked to be in order and showed the dates that I had made updates, or whatever.
On all programs it showed an update for K3.5 on the date (last Thursday) when I installed Sonar 8. I wasn't even aware that K3.5 had been downloaded. I have not seen any files nor folders for NI or Kontakt anywhere on my new computer's C drive, especially looking in the Cakewalk folders and subfolders in both the Program Files and Program Files (x-86) and in other likely folders, like the (user account) Downloads folder. So I have no idea where the Kontakt 3.5 was downloaded to.
I didn't check the "don't show . . ." box, but I got valuable info by not doing so.
Thanx for the link to NI. I am still apprehensive about what is going to happen when I install these programs and try to authorize with NI.
But I am still curious about a link for updating the GPO K1 (that will be installed by those CDs) to the K2 (because the files are different for the K2 version). I presumably have the K3.5 on the computer, but will my installing the K2 from the CDs cause problems with the (supposedly) downloaded K3.5? (And, where is K3.5 on my computer?)
You have been most helpful, but, as you can see, I still have concerns and am pessimistic about the process, at this point.
Frank
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 3:15 PM
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4209fr
Maybe we are both getting all confused.
Probably- yes. I used the link that you gave me, above, and got what is a more familiar 'homepage' for the Service Center. I had previously asked them to consolidate my records onto my new email address account (new for them). From this screen I had to ask for each individual program, but all looked to be in order and showed the dates that I had made updates, or whatever.
? That's not the Service Center; that's the onsite update manager.
On all programs it showed an update for K3.5 on the date (last Thursday) when I installed Sonar 8. I wasn't even aware that K3.5 had been downloaded. I have not seen any files nor folders for NI or Kontakt anywhere on my new computer's C drive, especially looking in the Cakewalk folders and subfolders in both the Program Files and Program Files (x-86) and in other likely folders, like the (user account) Downloads folder. So I have no idea where the Kontakt 3.5 was downloaded to.
? again If you used the Service Center to download the 3.5 update, it's in the folder you specified in the Service Center for downloads. And, they don't download automatically- you still have to click on them to download them. Furthermore, they don't install automatically after downloading.
But I am still curious about a link for updating the GPO K1 (that will be installed by those CDs) to the K2 (because the files are different for the K2 version). I presumably have the K3.5 on the computer, but will my installing the K2 from the CDs cause problems with the (supposedly) downloaded K3.5? (And, where is K3.5 on my computer?)
No. K2 (and variants of) and K3 are completely separate apps. Your NI forum moderator, ew
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 4:38 PM
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Hey, ew, thanx for jumping in, here. I have noticed your astute observations on other like threads.
OK, what is the "Onsite Update Manager" vs. the NI Service Center? The OUM sort of looks like what I remember of the Service Center from the last time I went there - many moons ago. I read where the Service Center has recently changed (in appearance and user friendliness). What I got when I first opened GR3 was the Service Center, and it requested my serial numbers for GPO and GR3, to which I put some numbers in (see previous responses) and I got an "authorized" statement within moments - on that same screen. So you say that I have been looking at two, entirely different entities? Please explain further about their separate purposes and what I can expect from each.
So what is the meaning of the Onsite Update Manager showing me for each individual application that on 7-21-09 I got an update of the Kontakt 3.5? (I don't understand your comment - "? again". (Hey, you are dealing with a really stupid person, here).
I was not even aware that Kontakt 3.5 was (supposedly) downloaded until the Online Update Manager indicated that to me today. That is when I looked all over my computer folders, in vain, looking for it.
So my 3 Garritan libraries are working under Kontakt 2.3.2 (or something like that) at the present on my old computer. I did not knowingly update JABB or CAMB. But I got GPO much earlier and it originally installed as Kontakt (1). A while after the announcement that GPO could be upgraded to Kontakt 2.??, I followed their instructions and got all messed up (well, I guess I must not have followed their instructions as they intended them to be followed; otherwise I shouldn't have had trouble). I conversed with Tom Hopkins 4 times about how to fix things. I'm not 100% sure I got it all correct, but GPO seems to be working just fine with Kontakt 2. (I also have some Projects that I haven't migrated from Kontakt 1, and they still load using the Kontakt 1 Player). Tom Hopkins mentioned at that time that many of the GPO files had been significantly changed and had much greater capabilities (than with Kontakt 1) - to take advantage of the capabilities of Kontakt 2.
So I am not sure, now, if all of this talk about Kontakt 3.5 is at all applicable to me as a Garritan library user. I am aware that there is a separate piece of software called Kontakt (whereas what is with Garritan is often called Kontakt Player). So mention of a Kontakt 3.5 by the Online Update Manager is not correct? Ya, I'm REALLY confused, now!!!!
Please help. (Maybe the only way to do that is to take me behind the woodshed and beat the crap out of (or maybe into) me.
Frank
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 7:23 PM
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Arrgh... I haven't figured out the new preview; I lost my post. 4209fr
OK, what is the "Onsite Update Manager" vs. the NI Service Center? The OUM sort of looks like what I remember of the Service Center from the last time I went there - many moons ago. I read where the Service Center has recently changed (in appearance and user friendliness). What I got when I first opened GR3 was the Service Center, and it requested my serial numbers for GPO and GR3, to which I put some numbers in (see previous responses) and I got an "authorized" statement within moments - on that same screen. So you say that I have been looking at two, entirely different entities? Please explain further about their separate purposes and what I can expect from each.
artsoul's link was for the update manager. That's all you can do there; download updates. The Service Center is the separate app that connects directly to the NI server and allows you to both download updates and activate apps. The only things you can register on the site itself anymore are older apps using 13 digit serial numbers and hardware components. Everything else is registered and activated through the Service Center.
So what is the meaning of the Onsite Update Manager showing me for each individual application that on 7-21-09 I got an update of the Kontakt 3.5? (I don't understand your comment - "? again". (Hey, you are dealing with a really stupid person, here).
I was not even aware that Kontakt 3.5 was (supposedly) downloaded until the Online Update Manager indicated that to me today. That is when I looked all over my computer folders, in vain, looking for it.
That sounds like a server glitch to me. You have to select the files and tell them where to download to. In the Service Center, you set the path by hitting the settings button and specifying the path. From the update manager, the standard Windows file browser's used.
So my 3 Garritan libraries are working under Kontakt 2.3.2 (or something like that) at the present on my old computer. I did not knowingly update JABB or CAMB. But I got GPO much earlier and it originally installed as Kontakt (1). A while after the announcement that GPO could be upgraded to Kontakt 2.??, I followed their instructions and got all messed up (well, I guess I must not have followed their instructions as they intended them to be followed; otherwise I shouldn't have had trouble). I conversed with Tom Hopkins 4 times about how to fix things. I'm not 100% sure I got it all correct, but GPO seems to be working just fine with Kontakt 2. (I also have some Projects that I haven't migrated from Kontakt 1, and they still load using the Kontakt 1 Player). Tom Hopkins mentioned at that time that many of the GPO files had been significantly changed and had much greater capabilities (than with Kontakt 1) - to take advantage of the capabilities of Kontakt 2.
So I am not sure, now, if all of this talk about Kontakt 3.5 is at all applicable to me as a Garritan library user. I am aware that there is a separate piece of software called Kontakt (whereas what is with Garritan is often called Kontakt Player). So mention of a Kontakt 3.5 by the Online Update Manager is not correct? Ya, I'm REALLY confused, now!!!!
It can be confusing compared to the old way- true. Kontakt 3.5 contains the player now; the serial number unlocks what can be used (like the GR LE/GR is now). Anything that's registered on your machine that used the player will open and be used as normal. Any other content will be in demo mode. ew
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Re:Installing Garritan Libraries in Sonar 8
July 28, 09 11:46 PM
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Well, I have another disturbing development. To get things going with my new computer, I got the sound working for a rather narrow range of functions on Sonar 8. In relation to a question concerning my other post (about VSampler), I tested one of the resident synths - TT-1 - with a MIDI file. The meters on the tracks and synth were working, but I only got a faint, faint sound. I have the same settings that I use when I get Input and Output sound with audio files.
So, it is imperative that I get a resident synth working; otherwise, anything else is rather moot.
I will be putting off re-installing the Garritan stuff until I get my other, more basic problems resolved. I realize that it is occasionally necessary, BUT I HATE GETTING A NEW COMPUTER GOING!!!!!
Frank
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July 29, 09 8:48 AM
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Well, that was fast!
Turns out that I don't have a problem with with resident synths. I don't know what was happening last night, but this morning I pulled up a simple, 1 track piano MIDI project and Inserted TT-1 into it. Plays just fine, even with other patches. Then I pulled up True Piano x-64. It works fine. To make it sound like it wasn't in a cardboard box, I added some Pantheon reverb. That works OK, too. So it looks like all is OK in resident-synth-ville, after all.
So, bring on the comments about installing GPO, JABB and CAMB on my new computer. I will wait for around 5 hours for comments (noon, my time), then THINK about proceeding.
I'm sorry ew (yes, I am a very "sorry" person) but I still don't know what to expect from the interface with NI when I install the Garritan stuff. I got an email last night (from NI) with a link. The link took me to an NI screen that, I believe, is the precursor screen to the Personal Update Manager's initial screen. By the email's recommendation, I viewed a screen that gave me all of the registered products and their serial numbers. I noticed that there was one for GPO and a different one with its own serial number for the Orchestra (I forget its exact name) that is, apparantly the Garritan Pocket Orchestra that comes with Sonar 8. Now the GPO, JABB and CAMB are on my old computer and the GR3 and Orchestra are on my new computer. So when I install GPO, JABB and CAMB on my new computer, I am presuming that this will be sensed by NI and they will automatically request a new registration for the installation onto the new computer. Am I anywhere close to being correct on this????
How about the order in which I install? Since my GPO disks are for K1 and the others for K2 (and, yes, my NI registrations say that a week ago I 'got' the 3.5 Kontakt "Player" (but ew, you have given me questions about whether it was actually downloaded and installed since I never designated a path for installation - unless it does it automatically to a necessary default location. Being registered is, apparently different that actually having downloaded and installed a program, and they can be mutually exclusive), would it make a difference if I install a K2 program first? I am still unclear about how to actually do the upgrade from GPO K1 to GPO K2 (or, now K3.5). I remember seeing a link for this somewhere, recently, but I don't know where that link was (Garritan website??). I also see where there is the question about GPO 4. (Garritan DOES have it listed in their online store for $50? for current owners).
So, folks, inundate me with informantion. I greatly appreciate the comments, thus far. I hope that you will continue to be forthcoming with additional info.
Frank
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July 29, 09 2:51 PM
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WOW! WOW! WOW!
For one of the first times ever, everything went "slick as snot" in my installation of JABB and CAMB on my new computer. It took all of 15 minutes to do both installations and to verify that each one works in my new Sonar 8. (Now I am going to have to authorize them with NI - ugh).
Next on the list is to get the upgrade to GPO 4. It is a complete program (with the download) that doesn't require any form of GPO to be present on the computer. It uses Garritan's Aria Player (instead of the Kontakt Player). So I am going to pay them the money and download the GPO 4 and install it. My presumption is that it will install as easily as the JABB and CAMB (only the download will take a while). BTW, Garritan says that their other programs will be converted (upgraded) to the Aria Player and made available for purchase next year (maybe one or two later this year???).
So, thanx, again, for ya'll's input and comments.
Frank
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July 29, 09 6:03 PM
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Hey, even the NI activation went smoothly and fast. Pretty much automatic since it displayed my serial numbers and just asked to click on the Activate button. That was it. Slick!
Frank
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July 29, 09 10:03 PM
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I just downloaded and installed the GPO 4 (upgraded from a previous GPO version but I had no GPO on the computer). All went well and it integrated well into Sonar 8 64-bit. I haven't tried it in the Sonar 8 32-bit, yet. The new Aria Player is quite intuitive and the instrument selections is pretty much the same as with Kontakt. Other than the mere basics, I haven't done much with it. But I thought that some of you might be interested. This installation is on a brand new computer that I just loaded Sonar 8 onto in the last few days. I would highly recommend reading the short Start Up Manual before actually installing the download. It is written very clearly and has instructions on how to activate the program once installed. You activate directly with Garritan, now, and it used a very different kind of activation tool.
Frank
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