[Resolved] reFX Vanguard bug in SONAR... actually Hardware problem

I'm currently using SONAR 7.0.2 and Vanguard 1.8.0

When I load up Vanguard and press a key, the sound stops immediately as soon as I lift the key. None of the FX of the synth plays when the key is lifted...

I've noticed this error in Imageline's Sytrus as well.

This error is SONAR specific cause in FL Studio it works perfectly...

PLEASE help

Thanx for the input - unfortunately I use the Demo version of Vanguard and can't get registered on the forums...

What you explained here sounds like a possible cause for what I'm experiencing...

Will keep my eyes open for a resolve...

Puffin617


Good day :-)

15 months down the line and still NO luck...

Cakewalk, please investigate this issue.  Version 8.5.3 is out and Vanguard is still not working properly in SONAR.

Regards,
Barend

I love Vanguard, and have used it a few times in tracks recently without issue.
It's got to be something related to your specific system/setup.

Can you go into detail as to your specs, what audio driver, os, etc?

Puffin617


CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Dual core 5200+
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate
Soundcard: M-Audio Delta Audiophile 192
DAW: SONAR 8.5.3

The thing that still baffles me is that I've tried it on the demos of FL Studio and Ableton and NO problem there.

Right drm the start when I open Vanguard 1.8, the first preset default preset with delays and reverbs have got NO FX working.

I'm SOO fed-up with this situation..

Anyone, please help out here...

Bee

Are you still using the demo version?  It times out after the expiration date.

And, something working in one host but not another does not necessarily mean it's the host's problem.  It may be a very simple configuration tweak that's needed.

What is your latency set to?  And do you have the latest WIndows 7 drivers for your setup?

Details matter.

Puffin617


Demo of Vanguard? NO...

I've been having this problem since my days with Windows XP.  I've got the latest drivers for my soundcard as well.

Latency is at 11.6 ms

I would try uninstalling Vanguard and reinstalling at this point.

Puffin617


Uninstalled it, cleared my registry with a cleaner and re-installed.

No luck...

It must be a SONAR setting of some sort :(

SO let me understand the problem again....
 
You insert Vanguard via the Synth Rack, I assume (if not, how are you inserting it?).
You then select the MIDI track so you can play and hear (audition) the sounds.
You choose a preset, hit a key on your keyboard.  You hear a sound, but the moment you release the key it stops sounding?
 
Is that the situation?
 
Does this happen with ANY other synth (I know you mentioned Sytrus but I mean others in general)?
 
Are you using the VST versions of DXi versions?
 
And, what is your audio latency set to...  are you using ASIO or WDM?
 
FWIW, I was using Sytrus (VSTi version) all night tonight (love that synth) and no problems.  Same with Vanguard.  So there definitely is something that you haven't discovered yet about your Sonar setup or the way you're using the synths.
 
I always suggest to keep digging.  There will be an answer.  I'll try to continue to suggest things and help as I can.
 
 

Puffin617


You understand the problem correctly.

I open a new project, go to Insert, Soft Synth and select Vanguard.
I have no problems with any other synth, appart from Vanguard and Sytrus.  The funny thing with Sytrus is that the reverb and fx will work but there's a "click" at the end of the sound as soon as i "note-off"...

I've tried ASIO and WDM - no difference...

I'm using the VST versions of the synths...

 
Interesting situation.   BTW, what sound card do you use, and at what sample rate and bit depth do you use in Sonar please?
 
This has me curious now lol.  I like solving problems, but I also like knowing what causes them ;)
 
One other thing.  Are you comfortable editing the registry?  If so, I have an idea that may or may not work.

 

I've just noticed the following thing...

The midi notes that i plot in piano roll and the midi keyboard that is in the piano roll does NOT cause this bug. It just happens when i play my midi keyboard.

But this still only happens with Vanguard in SONAR.

I do have an standards external synth - Roland JX-8P.  The LOCAL was ON, turned it off and still no change.

Here are all the possible MIDI variables to set - please advise on the best settings please:

01] Channel (1-16)
02] Program Change (ON/OFF)
03] After Touch (ON/OFF)
04] Pitch Bend (ON/OFF)
05] Modulation Wheel (ON/OFF)
06] Portamento (ON/OFF)
07] Hold (ON/OFF)
08] Volume (ON/OFF)
09] Mode - Poly Omni (ON/OFF)
10] Mode Send (ON/OFF)
11] Dynamics (1-99)
12] Local (ON/OFF)
13] Active Sens (On/OFF)
14] System Exclusive (ON/OFF)

Regards,

Puffin617


I think it was the LOCAL (ON/OFF) setting

Everything's working perfectly now :-)

I just had to restart my synth after changing settings :-) YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!

thanx SO much :-)

Cool, that's great news!   Now go make some good music!
 

THIS time i think i have a better idea - when I turn off my keyboard and on again, it stops working...

IT'S hardware!!!

Damn!!

Puffin617


THIS time i think i have a better idea - when I turn off my keyboard and on again, it stops working...

IT'S hardware!!!

Damn!!

It might pay to invest in a real MIDI controller keyboard (ie, one that does not generate sound and is used specificially for controlling plugins/other synths, etc).
 
There are some really cheap ones if budget is an issue, but they still are good enough for inputting/playing if you don't need super great "keyboard touch sensitivity" or weighted keys (they're more expensive).
 
But if you're making music with plugins, not having a real MIDI controller makes life tougher.
 
 

Puffin617


Cant get it to work again... I think it's time to shop for something that is post Jean-Michell Jarre :-)

LOL, well, yeah - technology moves on.   But seriously, as I said, I do think you'd be doing yourself a service to invest in a real/useful MIDI controller.
 
 

Puffin617


Please link me some good options from the web which I can investigate :-)

Thanx again for all your help - i would never have thought it's my hardware because of only Vanguard not working correctly :-)

Regards,
Barend

Barend,
 
It's hard to recommend anything in particular since there are so many options available.   But, at the end of the day, BUDGET wins lol.
 
I would simply go to any online music source (ZZounds, Audio-Midi.com, etc) and search; review the features/functions.
 
If you have a few that strike you as good choices, let us know here -- many will give feedback I'm sure (you might want to start a new thread at that point).
 
I personally use an M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro (weighted keyboard, full size ... big!) for my 'main' playing.
I also have the Edirol PCR-800 which is a nice "synthesizer type keyboard" (ie, not weighted at all) with lots of good features.  And I also have a few more (keyboards and pad types). 
 
I always tried to get controllers with as many 'functions' (knobs/switches, etc) as possible for the budget I was working with.   Ya can't have too many features these days lol.
 
So look around, check things out.  Read reviews, do a search on this forum, etc.  Be resourceful to find something that will me YOUR needs (now and in the future) before making a final decision.
Good luck.
 
 

Puffin617


UPDATE: The problem IS NOT hardware...

I just opened an old project of mine and Vanguard sounds hyper-S**T, even with the keyboard turned off...!

It's as if the decay of the filters aren't even working. I get terrible clicks when the note-off happens!!!

I feel like removing my DAW and resume playing online games... This is just a waste of time :( 

That just tells me that the actual note recording (midi data) was recorded with the problem.  I may be wrong, but I think if you were to redo the same part with a good controller, it probably would work out.
 
Worth discovering, no?