MC5 Sound Center Problem

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January 26, 10 2:52 PM (permalink)

MC5 Sound Center Problem

I am having a problem playing back sound center instruments in MC5.
 
Basically, when i play back two sound center instruments that are on seperate tracks (kick and snare on one, cymbals on the other) they play back with a number of problems. Notes disappear, notes are added, etc...
 
Is this just a capability that MC doesnt have?
 
I used the standard drum virtual instrument along with a track of sound center drums and it worked fine but once I try it with two sound center tracks it goes completely haywire.
 
Anybody know why that is or, more importantly, how to make that not happen?
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    Beagle
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 3:31 PM (permalink)
    do you have 2 separate Soundcenters inserted?  Soundcenter is monotimbral - you can only have one MIDI/Instrument track per Soundcenter.  so if you have 2 separate sounds you want from soundcenter, you have to have 2 separate INSTRUMENT tracks or 2 separate instances of Soundcenter.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 3:36 PM (permalink)
    And make sure each MIDI track is on a seperate channel.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 3:41 PM (permalink)
    well, channels won't matter with soundcenter.  it only has 1 channel and you can't choose different channels for it.  that's why you need one instance of it for each midi track.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 3:43 PM (permalink)
    I have two seperate sound center tracks because the kick and snare and stereo cymbal instruments are seperate in sound center. So yes, the two tracks are seperate.

    How do I insure that the tracks are on seperate channels?
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 3:48 PM (permalink)
    Like I said, it doesn't matter for soundcenter since soundcenter is monotimbral.  you can't use seperate channels, you have to use separate instances of soundcenter.

    I used the standard drum virtual instrument along with a track of sound center drums and it worked fine but once I try it with two sound center tracks it goes completely haywire.

    what exactly do you mean by this?  are you using both SI drums AND soundcenter?  if so, HOW are you using them both? 

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 4:56 PM (permalink)
    I am using them in seperate tracks. One for kick and snare and one for cymbals. I don't want to do that because the SI drums suck. I want to use sound center drums on two seperate tracks (I actually don't want to but sound center has their drums seperated into two instruments) but they wont play back cleanly. It just sounds like a mess of drum sounds.
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 5:04 PM (permalink)
    nick - I'm still not following what you're doing.  please describe each track you have in your project.  what is the OUTPUT listed of each track?

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 6:53 PM (permalink)
    I'll have to check the output when I get home.

    I am trying to use sound center to program drum parts. Sound Center has 4 drum instruments listed. Two are full kits that sound terrible. The other two sound better. One has Kick and snare drums only. The other has cymbals only. So, I used the kick and snare instrument to make one track of kicks and snares. I then used the cymbal instrument to make the corresponding cymbal part so a seperate track. When I play them back, the parts do not play correctly. They are all jumbled up. It sounds like Vinnie Paul on a really bad coke binge.
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 9:25 PM (permalink)
    yes, but you keep talking about using SI drums also, that's what I suspect is the problem, that's why I want to know the outputs of all of your tracks.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 11:31 PM (permalink)
    No, the SI drums are not the problem. That is merely how I attempted to find a solution to my problem since SI drum tracks played back fine along side one sound center track. I don't want to use the SI drums.

    The outputs are all set to "Master."

    The problem is the sound center instruments; they won't let me playback more than one track at a time cleanly, and futhermore, they wont even let me use more than two tracks of sound center instruments at a time.
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 26, 10 11:52 PM (permalink)
    What are your system specs, Nick?
    RAM, OS, speed, etc.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 7:54 AM (permalink)
    Nick, all of your outputs can't be set to Master or you would get no sound from the MIDI tracks.  what are your MIDI tracks outputs set to?  they should be set to a soundcenter output and each of the 2 MIDI tracks should be set to separate instances of soundcenter.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 8:12 AM (permalink)
    MC 5 also comes with TTS. So why not start off simple?

    When you insert Sound Center  (SC) ... it will only play one instrument at a time.... you can insert additional instances to get more instruments but that will quickly overload the CPU and you're limited to 8 synths max in MC so you'll run out of options quickly doing it that way.

    Perhaps a better way......

    Insert TTS..... select the default drums..... the entire kit it available (and more) in the default drummer...and... it actually sounds pretty good.

    BUT..... before you charge ahead.... tell us what soundcard you are using? Really, it does matter.  Other system specs are helpful too as Greg asked.

    With out knowing more that I do from reading the other posts...I'm guessing that the sound card is playing a role in this confusion.

    Back to TTS. TTS is a really nice, multi-channel, multi instrumental software synth.  Inserting ONE instance of TTS allows you to direct 16 different midi track into it...and it will play ALL 16 different instruments, and best of all..... channel 10 is defaulted to DRUMS. You can program the drums in TTS from either the Piano Roll View (PRV) or from the Staff View depending on your preference. I like teh staff view.   You can go to my web site (link below) and read the instructions I have posted there in plain English to help you get started.

    Don't forget to let us know what sound card you are working with.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 7:13 PM (permalink)
    Well, the sound center tracks are using the master output as a default. I changed them both to my sound card output since that was an option in the fall down menu. That seems to have worked pretty well. My sound card is a realtek card by the way. I know I should replace that with a card that is more suited for recording.

    But now I run into the problem that MC is only allowing me two tracks of virtual instruments (TTS, SI, or Sound Center). When I go to make a new track, the instrument track option is not available. My computer has 4 gigs of ram, a good processor, etc...
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 8:51 PM (permalink)
    Well, the sound center tracks are using the master output as a default.

     
    I think what Beagle was asking about is what outputs do the MIDI tracks have?
    A MIDI track has to have data in it, or a keyboard/controller sending data to it, then that MIDI track has to be output to a synth of some kind to hear the MIDI data being played. Sorry for assuming you didn't know that.
    In your case, that's Sound Center, and the SC soft synth output is then sent to the master. What do your MIDI track's outputs read, and what outputs are available?
    And is your processor 64-bit?

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 9:00 PM (permalink)
    The track's outputs read "master." I have changed them to the sound card and that has fixed the playback issue but I can still only use two tracks of sound center instruments in a session.

    I am running the 64 bit
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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 9:54 PM (permalink)
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    The track's outputs read "master." I have changed them to the sound card and that has fixed the playback issue but I can still only use two tracks of sound center instruments in a session.

    I am running the 64 bit

    MIDI tracks to Master? Well, if it's fixed, go with it!
     
    This is from the Cakewalk FAQ page re 64-bit:
     
    What Cakewalk programs can I install under a 64 bit Operating System?
    Any application that is specifically supported under Vista or Windows 7, has also been approved to function under Vista x64 or Windows 7 x64 (in 32-bit emulation mode). This means that if an application such as: Guitar Track Pro 4, Music Creator 5, or SONAR Home Studio 7 does not list 64-bit OS support on the packaging or system requirements, this is only referring to native 64-bit support. Unlike SONAR, the aforementioned programs contain only 32-bit versions of the program, whereas SONAR contains separate 32-bit and 64-bit applications on the disc. If you are running a 32 bit program under an x64 Operating System you should expect it to work just as well as running under a 32-bit OS; however, you will not see the same benifits as a SONAR x64 user, such as increased RAM utilization. 32-bit applications are still limited to accessing 2-3GB of RAM even in a 64-bit environment.
     
    I wish I understood what it meant.... but if you don't run MC 5 in 32-bit emulation mode, you could have problems. I think.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 10:02 PM (permalink)
    he must be using INSTRUMENT TRACKS.    that's the only way that it would work with the output set to MASTER.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 27, 10 10:08 PM (permalink)
    I'm going to have to get MC 5 just so I can keep up with this stuff!
    Maybe our Canadian friend can hook me up with a Beagle Special Deal?

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 28, 10 6:46 AM (permalink)
    LOL....I can sure try Greg.  I knew I would feel guilty about that someday.  I thought I was pushing it asking for one; next upgrade I'll be sure to ask for more. 

    Maybe you could get Walmart to carry MC products and you could "borrow" one to help with sales??   Or, I can send you mine cause I can't install it properly anyway!

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 28, 10 10:54 AM (permalink)
    I was just kidding, Nutty, kinda...
    That's strange that you can't install your MC 5, but you got SONAR to load okay.
    Don't feel guilty about doing everyone a favor. Beagle is one of the sharpest people here, and helpful, too. If he has more tools to help newbies, that's good for all of us.

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 28, 10 10:57 AM (permalink)
    ah shucks. 

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    Re:MC5 Sound Center Problem January 28, 10 12:21 AM (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help everyone, I think I have this one figured out. Now if only midi programming was as simple in Pro Tools...
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