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8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
So I've seen a few posts with people now saying that although it took care of some issues, 8.5.3 introduced others although I didn't really see anything specific. So what is the actual final verdict on the latest update?? Is it smooth?
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 12:41 AM
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although it took care of some issues, 8.5.3 introduced others That's the verdict right there. Specifically, it fixed the "Tempo out of range" (I'm paraphrasing the error) problem with Set Project from Clip, but it broke Set Measure/Beat At Now. There are probably other fixes and breaks, but those are the two biggies in my book. Depending on which of these functions is more important to you, you might find the patch "smooth" or not.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 5:07 PM
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Is it smooth? ...as a baby's behind.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 5:15 PM
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GUILTY!
Of being a really cool new learning curve! I'm lovin' it, so far.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 5:24 PM
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I'm with Dave.
I wasn't a big Audio Snap User in the first place, but losing the "Set Measure/Beat At Now" functionality did hurt.
Otherwise, 8.5.3 has been stable for me.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 5:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: brundlefly
That's the verdict right there. Specifically, it fixed the "Tempo out of range" (I'm paraphrasing the error) problem with Set Project from Clip, but it broke Set Measure/Beat At Now. There are probably other fixes and breaks, but those are the two biggies in my book. Depending on which of these functions is more important to you, you might find the patch "smooth" or not.
brundlefly, Nearly all of your posts that I've read have some reference to "Set Measure/Beat At Now"...It seems to be extremely important to you...Is this a function you use every day, every hour, on every session? If so, for what purpose (I really am curious, not chastising)...
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March 10, 10 5:42 PM
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Hi Papa- Is this a function you use every day, every hour, on every session? If so, for what purpose (I really am curious, not chastising)... I'm so glad you're not chastising, but why then are your even asking? It's a function I use regularly. It's not anything weird or exotic, honest! -Susan
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 5:47 PM
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Hi, Susan...
The reason I asked was to find out where it fits into the workflow & why...Perhaps it's something I might decide to start using if I were convinced it was suitable for a particular project...I really am just a "curious" kinda guy when it comes to learning new stuff that might be of benefit to me...
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 6:17 PM
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In my case, I have lots of projects that originated as tape tracks many years ago. A bunch of years ago, they were dumped into Sonar sessions for archiving. I've been remixing them and I need to add some parts. I would like to get the project's M:B:T lined up to the recorded tracks. That would make the metronome countoff actually usable, and it would also ease in editing among other things.
Sounds like a job for AudioSnap, right? Well, while 8.5.3 improved things a lot, it is still quite frustrating to conform the project's M:B:T to the previously laid down tracks. AudioSnap just doesn't deal with pickup notes very well at all, rallentando passages completely confuse it, and setting measure and beat at now isn't working for me--It quite simply doesn't actually set measure and beat at NOW.
But overall, I'd say that 8.5.3 is better than 8.5.2 even with the remaining and new issues.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 6:34 PM
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tarsier, I can see the usefulness in the scenario you described...Fortunately, I have Adobe Audition which has a "Extract Tempo" function that is easier to use than buttering a slice of bread. I can map out an entire song in about 10 minutes...Jotting down the tempo changes and then inserting them into SONAR...Perhaps an extra step or two than what AudioSnap is supposed to do but the little bit of time I experimented with AudioSnap seems too be more time consuming than what I can easily do in Audition... I've done cover/karaoke versions of songs that had tempo changes nearly every bar--in some case every beat in certain measures...I insert the "original" recording as a reference for arrangement & such...I can play it back with the metronome enabled for playback and it never misses a beat...I've been doing it like this for years... I realize there are other features in AudioSnap that might be useful to me at some point, but I haven't spent enough time (very little, in fact) with it to explore all the possibilities (which is why I asked my original question)... 
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 7:47 PM
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I honestly am not too sure why I would need to use Set Measure/Beat at Now. Could somebody illustrate with an example?
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 10, 10 11:03 PM
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It might be one of his idiosyncracies...like someone who never uses keyboard shortcuts...or someone who does some other thing for some reason...
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 2:11 AM
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Nearly all of your posts that I've read have some reference to "Set Measure/Beat At Now"...It seems to be extremely important to you...Is this a function you use every day, every hour, on every session? I post about it more to help other SONAR users than because I use it so much. But I do use it with some regularity. My two primary uses are snapping the time line to music that I want to transcribe, and recording my own performances without a click so I can play freely, but then snap it to the timeline so I can tighten up the timing of individual notes with percentage quantizing within freely flowing phrases. I find that SM/BAN is generally faster and more predictable then trying to massage transient markers into the shape needed for automatic timing extraction to work, but that could change with a few more improvements to AudioSnap.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 2:39 AM
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The program works for me. Very stable.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 5:12 AM
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brundlefly
Nearly all of your posts that I've read have some reference to "Set Measure/Beat At Now"...It seems to be extremely important to you...Is this a function you use every day, every hour, on every session?
I post about it more to help other SONAR users than because I use it so much. But I do use it with some regularity. My two primary uses are snapping the time line to music that I want to transcribe, and recording my own performances without a click so I can play freely, but then snap it to the timeline so I can tighten up the timing of individual notes with percentage quantizing within freely flowing phrases.
I find that SM/BAN is generally faster and more predictable then trying to massage transient markers into the shape needed for automatic timing extraction to work, but that could change with a few more improvements to AudioSnap.
Okay...I think I understand its importance in your workflow...I have almost always worked with some sort of "click" or a rock solid drummer when laying down basic tracks...That's why I was curious about how & why you were using it so frequently...I wasn't questioning the integrity of you desire to have it working properly...
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 5:44 AM
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8.5.3 totally stable for me.
So far, not a single crash, even when doing heavy editing, tracking, mixing.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 5:51 AM
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Bristol_Jonesey
8.5.3 totally stable for me.
So far, not a single crash, even when doing heavy editing, tracking, mixing.
I concur...Haven't had any problems here (so far)...
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 6:09 AM
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Sucks out the memory on mine and the Matrix View is haunted but this is a minority view but nevertheless it's a fact.
That's been there since 8.5 though.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 11:18 AM
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Fortunately, I have Adobe Audition which has a "Extract Tempo" function that is easier to use than buttering a slice of bread. I can map out an entire song in about 10 minutes...Jotting down the tempo changes and then inserting them into SONAR.. Hmmm. I have Audition but haven't played with that feature. One problem I anticipate is that many of my projects already have edits and automation in them, and any tempo changes I insert would screw those up--I have at least tried that much. So are you inserting the tempo changes in Sonar to create the tempo map before any audio is in there?
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 11:22 AM
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8.5.3 totally stable for me. So far, not a single crash, I can't run with Sonar for more than about 4 days without a crash.  Seriously, I run all day, then just leave it all on while I crash for the night then get right back into it where I left off. After about 4 days of this, Sonar will lock up. Of course, it could be something else on the machine that's locking up after that time, so it's not necessarily Sonar. And it's a far cry from my second daw which specifically said in the manual to reboot the computer after 4 hours of working with it.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 11:31 AM
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Hi Papa- I mostly use it when I have an ad-lib section but I still want the tempo and bar divisions to make some sense. AS is sometimes a little overkill for that. I'll quote brundlefly:
I find that SM/BAN is generally faster and more predictable then trying to massage transient markers into the shape needed for automatic timing extraction to work, but that could change with a few more improvements to AudioSnap.
-Susan
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 1:01 PM
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I'll quote bundlefly: I'm honored, Susan. 
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March 11, 10 1:08 PM
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I'm honored, Susan. I could've maybe spelled your name right, though! (Fixed now) -Susan
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 11, 10 3:46 PM
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I'm back with it since the last service pack (had reverted to 8.3). No show-stoppers encountered for me. And I use it all day- every day.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 13, 10 4:46 PM
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Sacalait
I'm back with it since the last service pack (had reverted to 8.3). No show-stoppers encountered for me. And I use it all day- every day.
YEa but I was asking about 8.5.3 not 8.3
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 13, 10 5:47 PM
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It's running fine for me. Except sometimes it will crash when using V-Vocal.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 13, 10 5:53 PM
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somsto75
So I've seen a few posts with people now saying that although it took care of some issues, 8.5.3 introduced others although I didn't really see anything specific. So what is the actual final verdict on the latest update?? Is it smooth?
Works fine for me, but then I confess I upgraded because I wanted to have the latest version, on the basis that I always have and it could cost me more later if I didn't! I like the improvements to Session Drummer and I will have a use for the improved AudioSnap later on as I'm doing drum substitution on old ADAT audio tracks of mine. I haven't found a use for the Matrix view yet because even after watching a video of it somewhere I haven't the foggiest notion of what it's for!
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 13, 10 6:01 PM
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somsto75
So I've seen a few posts with people now saying that although it took care of some issues, 8.5.3 introduced others although I didn't really see anything specific. So what is the actual final verdict on the latest update?? Is it smooth?
Works fine for me, but then I confess I upgraded because I wanted to have the latest version, on the basis that I always have and it could cost me more later if I didn't!
I like the improvements to Session Drummer and I will have a use for the improved AudioSnap later on as I'm doing drum substitution on old ADAT audio tracks of mine. I haven't found a use for the Matrix view yet because even after watching a video of it somewhere I haven't the foggiest notion of what it's for!
Yea I agree about the matrix view!
Thanks for the post. I amstill wondering about this Set Measure Beat Now or whatever. Trying to figure out if I ever even needed it.
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 15, 10 2:00 PM
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Boots up quickly. Incredibly low latency. Runs very smoothly.
I believe the British have a term that would describe it: "The Dog's Bollocks".
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Re:8.5.3 - What's the verdict?
March 15, 10 2:25 PM
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Cool.. but I guess I shouldve specified more towards x64 stability though. Vista x64 and Sonar 8.5.3 64. It seems this "Set Measure/Beat at Now" issue is the biggest issue. But Im still not sure on what its for. May be Ive used it before inadvertantly. Sometimes you use a parameter and not realize the label of it,
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