Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
Do you have Windows 8 installed but don't currently own a touch enabled monitor or Windows 8 ultrabook? If you do own an Android tablet, you can use the touch support in SONAR, by using a nifty remote desktop application called Splashtop 2 Remote Desktop. Its quite a powerful client that also handles multi-monitor setups. By installing a small background app called Splashtop Streamer on the PC, you can remotely connect to your Windows 8 PC from any touch enabled android tablet, and control the PC using native Windows 8 touch gestures. I have an android tablet and its kind of neat to be able to use it as a secondary virtual surface. I can continue to use the mouse and keyboard on the PC but additionally perform all the Win8 touch gestures in SONAR X2A. Its not quite as nice as having a full touch screen but quite usable. Actually in my case my monitors are about 2.5 feet away from me so a touchscreen display would be impractical. Notes: - They have Android, IOS, Windows and Mac clients for this app. You can read about the Windows 8 supported gestures here http://www.splashtop.com/win8 - If you have done an upgrade install of Windows 7 to Windows 8, you will need to do a repair install of the Splashtop Streamer to get this to work. This is because it needs to install a special virtual HID driver that maps the remote touch gestures into Win8 touch. Unless you reinstall the Splashtop Streamer app you won't get this driver installed coming from Win 7. - When setting up the client on a tablet, you probably want to set the resolution to "Use computer's native display setting", otherwise it will set the PC to the tablet's display res. Doing this will allow you to work on both the tablet and the PC without affecting the PC's resolution. I've been having fun playing with my tablet hooked up to the Win8 PC and it seems pretty stable.
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
December 30, 12 7:58 PM
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With all due respect...the last thing I want to control anything with, is a touch screen. 1) No sensativity 2) Even if you dont have fat fingers, it feels like it when trying to manipulate anything, via touch screen. (I have 2 "smart phones") 3) Odd working angles (shoulder problems??) 4) Dorito fingers... I realize it's cutting edge, and probably great Cakewalk is investing in the technology. But as far as I'm concerned, I only want to touch my screen when I am wiping the dust off...not Pizza finger grease.
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December 30, 12 9:07 PM
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I have the same app for the iPad. Works like a champ.
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December 30, 12 9:27 PM
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What's the name of iPad app? Thank you.
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
December 30, 12 9:54 PM
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LpMike75 I realize it's cutting edge, and probably great Cakewalk is investing in the technology. But as far as I'm concerned, I only want to touch my screen when I am wiping the dust off...not Pizza finger grease. lol. I guess that's one way to keep people away from your computer and guitars.
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December 30, 12 10:43 PM
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That is some really cool info Noel. Everybody is different in their studio working techniques it seems. I can see a definite advantage to using touch screen if I can incorporate it into my working situation in a way that is truly beneficial Here are a few FWIW thoughts concerning Sonar X2a,windows 8 and a touch screen. I'm sure you have already given this a lot of thought but maybe another perspective will help. I am both a keys player and a guitar player. I had a desk custom built several years ago that positions my midi keyboard right in front of me. I have a keyboard/mouse setup mounted to the desk directly in front of the midi keyboard on a made for that purpose rig. My two screens sit directly in front of me l about 6" up behind the keyboard.Touching them at that angle is counter productive. Since making music mostly always involves looking down at the keys....looking down at the keyboard....looking down at the guitar,so from that perspective some kind of a device that is mounted to one side of the computer keyboard would make a really nice touch surface. Mounting something to a stand would be even better because it could be shifted around but won't fall off the desk if bumped accidentally. For me an android pad probably would not give me the full advantage of the experience. It might work in a pinch but not in a day to day situation. Just too small to show all of the tracks. I'm thinking something that is a minimum of 19" to 24", talks to X2, and is mounted ergonomically low and close to my normal working position. I could use my other two monitors to show various processes and load the mixer view on the third large touch monitor to make quick changes to the mix as necessary. If I didn't like my midi keyboard position so much I would consider mounting a large touch screen monitor into my custom mixing desk so that I could simply have it directly in front of me . As it is now, a movable stand or arm would be second choice. Here is the dreamer in me talking now...... I am away from my studio with my touch laptop working on a mix . When I get home to my studio I simply clip the laptop into the movable arm and it automatically connects with my larger PC and all of its systems. X2 in my studio PC detects the Sonar in the laptop and uses all of the settings and files I was working on as a reference point with the added benefit of the horsepower and memory in the studio PC.The lappy is a touch screen PC on the go and part of the larger system in the studio. Can it be done? I could always copy the Sonar file from the touch laptop to the larger PC ,however needing to make a copy and file transfer each time could become too much to do on a daily basis if a person goes back and forth a lot. I could use only the peripherals from my larger setup but I would be using much less memory and cpu power that might not be up to the task of my project.
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
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December 31, 12 0:39 PM
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Unbelievable! Thank you Noel. Just installed it Outstanding!
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
December 31, 12 4:45 AM
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Well, there are quite better Remote Desktop apps available. Teamviewer (free), or Remoter VNC. They dont support win8 multitouch yet, but splashtop doesn't, yet, too. Also, there are apps, which don't do Remote Desktop, but instead extend your desktop screen real estate with the ipad as additional screen, like iDisplay. So you can have the console on the ipad, without having it on the pc, and use the pc screen(s) for arrange, plugins etc...
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
December 31, 12 5:20 AM
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And the ones you list support Android tablets right?
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
December 31, 12 6:59 AM
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I use it on iOS. iDisplay and teamviewer at least are available on android, too, afaik I personally love iDisplay cause it gives me an additional mobile 2048x1536 single touch screen for my already 4 screen setup, to put any app onto while away from the desk, singing for example. It has this great feature to start apps right from the iPad on the iPad screen, and easily switch windows back and forth from the stationary screens and the iPad iDisplay.
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December 31, 12 7:03 AM
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I looked in Google Play and there is an idisplay app. It says it supports windows 8 but user comment says it is not working correct yet in windows 8. I may give ut a try as it only needs network connection not internet access.
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December 31, 12 7:51 AM
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Though Splashtop doesn't yet support win8 touch on IOS it has some advantages. It does low latency and higher framerate video transfer as compared to other remote desktop apps. I've recommended it to some of Ramona's students who have piano's in their living rooms and their Mac in another room. It allows them to stream audio from their music software direct to the IPad and practice along at the piano. It definitely seems more multimedia friendly as compared to other apps. I like where they are headed with it. I've even been able to connect to my PC over a 4G connection with reasonable results.
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December 31, 12 2:46 PM
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I can confirm that Splashtop is fast, very fast. My only problem with it is my tablet is lower resolution then my dual wide screens monitors. This presents a problem.
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December 31, 12 2:59 PM
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Yeah its not ideal though you can choose to run at the tablet's lower resolution. You can also switch to a different monitor from splashtop. You probably wouldn't want to exclusively work from the tablet. Just use it as a secondary pointing device for scrolling and zooming...
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January 01, 13 2:17 PM
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Noel: Where do you set the resolution?
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 01, 13 2:18 PM
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With all due respect...the last thing I want to control anything with, is a touch screen. 1) No sensativity 2) Even if you dont have fat fingers, it feels like it when trying to manipulate anything, via touch screen. (I have 2 "smart phones") 3) Odd working angles (shoulder problems??) 4) Dorito fingers... I realize it's cutting edge, and probably great Cakewalk is investing in the technology. But as far as I'm concerned, I only want to touch my screen when I am wiping the dust off...not Pizza finger grease. Gee, then let's not have any new technological advancements. Some people just can't handle change. Sheesh!
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January 01, 13 2:35 PM
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To set the resolution - Launch splashtop and where you see the connection to the computer, click on the pen and paper icon to the right. That allows you to select between the tablet resolution or the target computer resolution.
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 01, 13 2:58 PM
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does the splashtop XDisplay work as fast as the Remote Desktop? I'd rather have an additional screen instead of remote controlling/mirroring a stationary screen... (I use Matrox Dualhead2Go which is ONE 8:3 3200x1200 screen to the system, but two 4:3 1600x1200 physical screens, which aren't that good for remote controlling on a 4:3/16:9 device, so I'd be more interested in XDisplay) does XDisplay support Win8 gestures?
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January 01, 13 3:41 PM
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I don't have any experience with XDisplay since its not available for Android yet. I would expect it to perform equivalently though. I see your point about controlling a high res device from something as small as a tablet. I run dual monitors at 1680x1050 here and I spent a couple of hours using Win8 via splashtop last night and I almost forgot that I was using an Android tablet. The screen gets scaled down on my tablet which does only 1280x752, but for general browsing and other stuff it was fairly usable. In Metro mode Win8 lets you pinch zoom for most apps so you can generally get around the small font size.
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 01, 13 4:01 PM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] To set the resolution - Launch splashtop and where you see the connection to the computer, click on the pen and paper icon to the right. That allows you to select between the tablet resolution or the target computer resolution. Outstanding. That works very nicely. This is a great find. I wont be throwing my Mackie Control out anytime soon but the options are getting better and better.
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January 01, 13 4:29 PM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] I don't have any experience with XDisplay since its not available for Android yet. I would expect it to perform equivalently though. I see your point about controlling a high res device from something as small as a tablet. I run dual monitors at 1680x1050 here and I spent a couple of hours using Win8 via splashtop last night and I almost forgot that I was using an Android tablet. The screen gets scaled down on my tablet which does only 1280x752, but for general browsing and other stuff it was fairly usable. In Metro mode Win8 lets you pinch zoom for most apps so you can generally get around the small font size. for VNC I usually use Remoter VNC. It lets me rc the complete desktop which is minimum 7160x1200 as a huge scrollable and zoomable pane on the iPads 2048x1536 screen, instead of each single monitor switchable only on the mobile device, like with splashtop or teamviewer. I tried splashtop and its really fast, but doesn't integrate well with my multiscreen setup. I tried Xdisplay: it is based on splashtop v1 and isn't as fast as splashtop v2 and doesn't support the retina screen. Currently unusable on iPad. Bummer. Lets hope for xdisplay2
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 01, 13 4:31 PM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] To set the resolution - Launch splashtop and where you see the connection to the computer, click on the pen and paper icon to the right. That allows you to select between the tablet resolution or the target computer resolution. Ah! There it is. Boy, that was intuitive..... NOT!
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 04, 13 4:03 AM
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Can I just check - is it splashtop 2 that now works with windows 8 touch, or the more expensive win8 metro testbed? Cheers James
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 04, 13 4:39 AM
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I missed this. So, I am laptop based. Reading some of the posts above, it sounds like you can use an Android tabet as a second monitor, am I understanding that correctly? What do you do, move, say, the Console onto the tablet and operate the controls from there? Could anyone please confirm my thoughts and perhaps post a photograph of a set-up? thanks
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Re:Windows 8 tip: Using Multitouch without a touch enabled monitor
January 04, 13 5:46 AM
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LpMike75 Even if you dont have fat fingers, it feels like it when trying to manipulate anything, via touch screen. (I have 2 "smart phones") . I am with you on that one  I have had my Blackberry 9860 for a couple of months and I still find it a pig to use, zillions of people however do not seem to have this problem. However, I can see the potential value of touch screen, particulary when mixing, as a low cost, low space alternative to a control surface.
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