cris_core
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Audio loop recording problem
Is there any way to hear a previous loop with in the same session of loop recording without stopping the transport?
I want to quickly build a vocal based song with harmonies and beat box all in one take using loop recording, but sonar will not play previous loops recorded in the same recording session. I have to stop the transport and start recording again for each part I want to overlay. Anyone know any way around this?
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/27 21:40:18
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Unless you select mute previous takes, you should be able to hear all takes as they loop. So disable mute previous takes, since you must have that enabled
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/28 00:51:27
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Cris: I asked this question several years ago because I thought I had actually been able to do "cumulative" audio recording. It turns out, when loop recording on audio tracks, you cannot do "cumulative" loop recording without stoping the transport and restarting it. Heres the thread. However, you can do "cumulative" takes when loop recording MIDI, and the "Mute Previous Tracks" checkbox controls whether you can hear previous MIDI takes made during the loop record session. The "Mute Previous Tracks" has no effect during loop recording of audio. The help file under "Record Options dialog" documents this, albeit ambiguously, with the note "The Mute Previous Takes check box has no effect during loop recording. " It doesn't say "audio" loop recording. Sonar always mutes previous takes of audio recorded in the same loop record session. I have been able to find VST plugins that emulate "loopers", but I haven't quite figured out how to use them effectively in Sonar. (Still though, I've had a lot of fun with them when trying to figure out how to use them.) Hope this helps, Paul
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/28 03:19:10
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Paul,
Thanks for getting back to me about this. I read the old post you listed. Looks like I’m out of luck. I wish Cakewalk would implement this. I don’t really want to switch to Live but It can do so many things that I like. Does anyone know of any other software that can do this “looper” kind of recording besides Live?
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/30 19:25:14
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Anyone know of DAW software that can do "Looper" style recording? Besides Live.
Thanks,
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 12:12:33
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stop the transport between takes instead of looping - previous takes will play while you record new ones. (yes I know this isn't looping)
if you are "building harmonies", a better practice would be to do them on separate tracks. If you do them in one track as a loop - you won't be able to balance among the various takes (lanes)
Looping is really better suited for multiple takes of the same section where you do NOT want to hear the previous takes (ie guitar solo). What you're doing will work - but it's not a best practice - imho
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:08:00
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cris_core
Is there any way to hear a previous loop with in the same session of loop recording without stopping the transport?
I want to quickly build a vocal based song with harmonies and beat box all in one take using loop recording, but sonar will not play previous loops recorded in the same recording session. I have to stop the transport and start recording again for each part I want to overlay. Anyone know any way around this?
Cris.
I haven't played around with that approach (for vocals) in a while, but if you look at page 1391 of the Sonar Reference Guide (PDF format) it talks about both the transport options and looping options ... this may help.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:24:09
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get Live lite and rewire it into Sonar.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:32:18
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Looks like I’m out of luck. Been meaning to try this since I saw this thread: - Insert a delay capable of very long delay intervals in the audio track, and set the delay equal to the loop length. - Set the feedback to 100%. - Enable new layers on overlap, and record away. - Each new loop will be repeated endlessly by the delay, but each recorded layer will contain only what you played on that pass. It gets ugly when you stop, 'cause you have to set the feedback back to zero and/or disable the plug to stop it. Awkward, no doubt, but it seems to work. A little fine tuning of the technique might make it fairly seamless. Kind of fun, actually. Never played with a looper before. EDIT: Left out a key setting: 50/50 Wet/Dry mix on the delay.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:43:10
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brundlefly
Looks like I’m out of luck.
Been meaning to try this since I saw this thread:
- Insert a delay capable of very long delay intervals in the audio track, and set the delay equal to the loop length.
- Set the feedback to 100%.
- Enable new layers on overlap, and record away.
- Each new loop will be repeated endlessly by the delay, but each recorded layer will contain only what you played on that pass.
It gets ugly when you stop, 'cause you have to set the feedback back to zero and/or disable the plug to stop it. Awkward, no doubt, but
it seems to work. A little fine tuning of the technique might make it fairly seamless. Kind of fun, actually. Never played with a looper before.
EDIT: Left out a key setting: 50/50 Wet/Dry mix on the delay.
Wow, that's a creative solution, albeit tricky
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:45:09
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djjhart@aol.com
get Live lite and rewire it into Sonar.
Or use both - Live (full) and Sonar. Neither can do quite what the other one does - but I'm lovin' 'em both these days.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 13:53:45
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Wow, that's a creative solution, albeit tricky Just what you'd expect from the guy who invented teleportation, right? 
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 14:22:10
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brundlefly
Wow, that's a creative solution, albeit tricky
Just what you'd expect from the guy who invented teleportation, right?
In this world - I have no idea what to expect anymore ;)
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 18:33:40
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Here is an example of what I am talking about and why stopping and restarting the transport is not a solution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8mlSWWZ9zQ Live seems to kick butt at this, but I don't think it's a Sonar replacement and I really don't want to use 2 DAWs. Does anyone know of another windows DAW that can do this kind of thing? Cubase? Reaper? The new Studio One by Presonus? Cris.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 18:41:51
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I might not be reading this right, but if you set "Sound on Sound" and "Create new Layer" in your record options it should let you build layers like you want.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 19:05:56
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...wicked
I might not be reading this right, but if you set "Sound on Sound" and "Create new Layer" in your record options it should let you build layers like you want.
That will not work. Look at Kellerpj's message. That may help clear things up for you. Cris.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 19:43:17
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djjhart@aol.com
get Live lite and rewire it into Sonar.
Hmmm..... That actually might be my best option. Thanks for the advice. Cris.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/08/31 21:12:06
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cris_core
...wicked
I might not be reading this right, but if you set "Sound on Sound" and "Create new Layer" in your record options it should let you build layers like you want.
That will not work. Look at Kellerpj's message. That may help clear things up for you.
Cris.
In Sonar 8.5.3 I just setup a 4 bar loop range, setup up "store takes on separate tracks", Sound on Sound, unchecked mute previous takes and I was able to do exactly that ... Loop record adding parts while still hearing the previous parts - each new part going to its own new track. Isn't that what you want? Oh wait - I was doing MIDI recording, not audio - so maybe audio works differently, though I don't see what that would be.
post edited by ba_midi - 2010/08/31 21:14:25
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 01:25:19
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Oh wait - I was doing MIDI recording, not audio - so maybe audio works differently, though I don't see what that would be. Yes, audio does work differently. The previously recorded layers are not audible on subsequent loop iterations, regardless of the "mute previous takes" status. Seems a strange oversight.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 01:36:49
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Yes, audio does work differently. The previously recorded layers are not audible on subsequent loop iterations, regardless of the "mute previous takes" status. Seems a strange oversight. Or lazy programming lol
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 06:41:19
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Audio Loops originally was a nice little Software that created loops from samples. I was pretty amazed when I saw it first. It looked like a simple grid pattern sequencer and I could not figure out why even professional musicians like it so much.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 08:12:53
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I must be confused - lets look at this analogy...
Lets say I'm looping a section to lay down a guitar solo and I will do several passes by looping. Why on earth would I want to hear the previous loop's solo *while* I'm playing another take? I'm only going to use one in the final mix. Makes no sense.
Now lets say I'm building a harmony with 4 vocalists. Do I just loop the section 4 times and have each singer jump in - or do I give each singer his own track and take - thereby also enabling each singer to hear the previous recorded tracks. The same technique should apply to one singer doing all 4 parts.
I said it before and I'll say it again - the problem here is the workflow. The feature works as it should.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 10:33:57
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I said it before and I'll say it again - the problem here is the workflow. The feature works as it should. Obviously you've never seen a live performance by a solo artist using a looper. Check the link back in post #14. Just because you don't work that way does not make it an invalid "workflow".
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 10:57:59
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brundlefly
I said it before and I'll say it again - the problem here is the workflow. The feature works as it should.
Obviously you've never seen a live performance by a solo artist using a looper. Check the link back in post #14. Just because you don't work that way does not make it an invalid "workflow".
Agreed. And - a good piece of software should help the creative process, not inhibit it.
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 11:11:13
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brundlefly
I said it before and I'll say it again - the problem here is the workflow. The feature works as it should.
Obviously you've never seen a live performance by a solo artist using a looper. Check the link back in post #14. Just because you don't work that way does not make it an invalid "workflow".
Agreed. And - a good piece of software should help the creative process, not inhibit it. I would add that the OP is not asking for the world, either. If Cakewalk would just make the existing "Mute Previous Takes" option work as expected with audio, that would make all the difference.
post edited by brundlefly - 2010/09/01 11:32:18
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Re:Audio loop recording problem
2010/09/01 11:22:36
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Try Riffworks.it excels at looping. You might have to rewire Live Lite or some other rewire client. as Riffworks is a rewire host only. I use it and it is great for getting ideas down quickly..
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