gt2004
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i have a unique problem guys and need some help
So once in a while i will format my system and re-clone it back from my backup drive. So once i clone it back i have all my settings and all my plugin's and etc....
my problem is that when i load some of my projects all the plug ins come up and i see it but i cant play them i don't hear any sound coming from it. Its not all of them but some play some don't. But if i reinsert that same plug ins in the same project i can play it.
im just lost as to what it can be and or to fix this.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 5:39 AM
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well, you've got my curiosity up, but I haven't figured it out yet....
definitely unique. interesting anyway.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 7:07 AM
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I think I've had that happen a few times. After a reboot everything works.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 7:25 AM
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I know I'm not helping you with your problem, but why would want to format the hard drive then put it back exactly like it was from a cloned image? what benefits do you get from that?
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October 16, 10 7:35 AM
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Beagle
I know I'm not helping you with your problem, but why would want to format the hard drive then put it back exactly like it was from a cloned image? what benefits do you get from that?
I am curious too. Will this do anything a defrag and wipe of unused space would not do? I have just replaced a failing primary hard drive in my system and added a third drive for Audio. I resisted the temptation to clone the drive in favour of a clean install of everything from scratch, carefully taking time to avoid installing unused plugins including 32 bit versions of plugs that are native 64 bit and building a more organised structure. - that has resulted in a noticable improvment in performance.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 3:32 PM
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im just lost as to what it can be and or to fix this. Like others, I'm curious why you reformat and restore everything in a somewhat customary fashion. I haven't reformatted, reinstalled, uninstalled or anything like that in YEARS, and I have a sweet running system (though I do take great care to keep it that way). So it's a curious thing you're doing. That being said ... Do you rescan your plugins after all is restored? And, do you reboot ? In the projects with a problem, do you check all the INs/OUTs both at the track/channel level and busses? It seems to me that there's a possibility the reformatting/restoring changes some .ini files (normally happens) and some of the projects are simply not seeing the right inputs/outputs. Can you check all that? And of course check your MIDI options and AUDIO options. Something gets changed, obviously - but it's probably easy to track down with some investigative work.
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gt2004
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 4:27 PM
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I know I'm not helping you with your problem, but why would want to format the hard drive then put it back exactly like it was from a cloned image?
Well i use my system a lot for different stuff and sometime end up installing bunch of crap on the Drive that i don't need. Or once in a while ill get a virus that i don't want to spend days trying to remove.
so i figured ill make a clean install with all my apps all my settings all the little tweaks and settings and then clone it to another drive. So when ever i run in to a problem ill just re clone it back nice and fresh and im ready to work in just 15 min. If not i would have to reinstall my OS and all my stuff that i use which takes me a good 8 hours or a day of work
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 4:29 PM
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You might want to rethink that. 
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 16, 10 5:25 PM
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gt2004
I know I'm not helping you with your problem, but why would want to format the hard drive then put it back exactly like it was from a cloned image?
Well i use my system a lot for different stuff and sometime end up installing bunch of crap on the Drive that i don't need. Or once in a while ill get a virus that i don't want to spend days trying to remove.
so i figured ill make a clean install with all my apps all my settings all the little tweaks and settings and then clone it to another drive. So when ever i run in to a problem ill just re clone it back nice and fresh and im ready to work in just 15 min. If not i would have to reinstall my OS and all my stuff that i use which takes me a good 8 hours or a day of work
but when you restore your drive from a clone then you don't get rid of any viruses or apps that you don't want except anything that has happened to your system from the time you created the clone. it's not really "nice and fresh" unless you formated, installed everything then made the clone, so that the clone is only of the fresh install of everything.
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Glyn Barnes
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 2:17 AM
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gt2004
so i figured ill make a clean install with all my apps all my settings all the little tweaks and settings and then clone it to another drive. So when ever i run in to a problem ill just re clone it back nice and fresh and im ready to work in just 15 min. If not i would have to reinstall my OS and all my stuff that i use which takes me a good 8 hours or a day of work
OK - I see now, this is not a clone of the disk just before reformatting as most of us had assumed but a clone of the disk at an earlier time when everything was good. Not a bad disaster recovery scenario. (you may want to think about reducing the likleyhood and frequency of disasters however  ). I assume you have a different strategy for backing up and restoring your projects. The problem may be as a result of the way the projects are baccked up and restored, not the disk cloning. Is it always the same plugins that need re-inserting, or is it random. I suspect the fix is the one you have already found - reinsert the plugin.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 3:44 AM
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Sounds risky to me. Do you have a third copy of the disk somewhere? I've heard so much about problems and surprises in recovering backups and clones, that I'd never do it if I it isn't absolutely necessary. Formatting the disc and hoping the recovery works...not for my nerves.
What I'm curious about, is when do you decide when it's a good moment to create the clone?
How often do you do them? If you do "important" work weekly, and every now and then something, that you later want to get rid of, how do you make new clones regularily without including the unnecessary stuff in them? How can you be sure there already isn't something wrong with the system at the moment of cloning, but it just hasn't played it's tricks yet?
Well...just scratching my head..never mind.
Your way is propably as good as any other.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 4:28 AM
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Restoring from a good system back up is a great time saver and smart way to get back to a great working system in 20 minutes or less. I use Acronis True Image for recovery purposes, and it always restores my system without any problems.
The key is to make sure everything is installed and working correctly before the disk image is created, and run an anti-virus scan and malware scan on the drive you're making the image for, before you make the image, to insure all is well with the drive before you make the image.
Since you mentioned that some plug ins weren't working correctly after you restored from an image, I'm wondering two things:
1) Are you sure your system was working correctly before you made the image, and
2) what system recovery software are you using?
Another thing is that if you have installed any of your plug ins on a drive other than the main system drive, usually the C drive, make sure you run and use a good anti-virus software scanner, such as Avast, on the drive you have installed the plug ins to.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 3:39 PM
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Billy: Out of curiosity, what do you do to keep your system clean?
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gt2004
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 3:52 PM
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Knows exactly what im doing. 1 you 1st take a Hard drive you install all your apps and plug ins and virus scanner and everything else you need. 2 you scan the disk and defrag the disk and make a clone on to the 2nd disk another DISK. 3 Once you have 2 clean identical disks those are you primary and secondary back up disks. 4 in an example of mine i installed my SSD drive and used one of the Disk to clone it on to my SSD. 5 Time it took was 15 min but when it was all done i was up and running without any things to tweak change set etc.. Some of you probably haven't formatted the system for probably more then 2 years but when you do this often it will make sense to you why some of us do it this way. and i useAcronis True Image its been the best and use it at work all the time.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 4:26 PM
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thomasabarnes
Knows exactly what im doing.
1 you 1st take a Hard drive you install all your apps and plug ins and virus scanner and everything else you need.
2 you scan the disk and defrag the disk and make a clone on to the 2nd disk another DISK.
3 Once you have 2 clean identical disks those are you primary and secondary back up disks.
4 in an example of mine i installed my SSD drive and used one of the Disk to clone it on to my SSD.
5 Time it took was 15 min but when it was all done i was up and running without any things to tweak change set etc..
Some of you probably haven't formatted the system for probably more then 2 years but when you do this often it will make sense to you why some of us do it this way.
and i useAcronis True Image its been the best and use it at work all the time.
Thomas certainly summed up the process well, but I think you're missing the point (made by the others). We are wondering why you need to restore so often. Many of us use this very same backup method, but only feel the need to restore when disaster strikes - not as a means of doing "housekeeping". (I myself have only had to restore from an image just once in the last three years). So what are you doing that necessitates having to restore back to an earlier image so often?
post edited by JonD - October 17, 10 4:32 PM
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 17, 10 5:52 PM
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Billy:
Out of curiosity, what do you do to keep your system clean?
well, kind of basic good practices. I use Eset's NOD32 Antivirus - it causes me no headaches, and I also make sure ALL my other computers are running that as well - since I have a multi-computer LAN here. I also NEVER download anything on the internet to my DAW directly. I downloaded updates to my music software/plugins on another machine so they are checked there first -- and I keep them on a network drive, and then copy or install from there to my DAW. I keep NO superfluous software on my DAW at all. IOW, there is nothing on the system that is not absolutely needed. I never let ANYONE touch my system ;) But that's really all,, other than doing regular backups. I also manually delete temp files often since they just get left behind by windows and other apps not going their housecleaning, so to speak. In simple terms, it's just using common sense and dedicating the DAW as a DAW and nothing else.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 18, 10 5:36 PM
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gt2004 makes a solid remark. You keep doing the same thinng you will get the same result. You are re-importing the same problem I would sumise.
Can't figure why it's doing it ,at all, though. Tracking down Sonar issues can be an issue itself.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 19, 10 2:44 PM
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I am curious too. Will this do anything a defrag and wipe of unused space would not do? Using the OP's procedure can be MUCH faster than a defrag/wipe depending on your machine. Formatting and using GHOST can replace a machine in minutes compared to some defrags taking many hours.
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Re:i have a unique problem guys and need some help
October 19, 10 2:51 PM
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Yeah, indeed. I always keep a known good system backup, and I can be back up from catastrophic disaster and recording again in about ten minutes max.
I highly recommend Acronis True Image for this, makes it all really painless.
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