Guitar Rig 4 Pro - Native Instruments HELP!

I installed Guitar Rig 4 Pro and everything seemed alright until I plugged in my guitar. All I hear is the natural sound no matter which amp or gadget I switch to in Guitar Rig. I've been at it now for a week!
 
I was using 'Direct' sound as my driver and switched to ASIO4ALL2. Still no change. The sounds registers on Guitar Rig as the meters on 'IN L' indicates but the guitar amps and effects does not. Sometimes there is a hissing like screeching sound when 'Out' volume is increased to a quarter of it's maximum or when a particular amp is clicked on.

My settings and plug ins are:

Fender Telecaster plugged in directly to 'Line In' on PC.
Sound card: Realtek High Definition Audio

Audio and MIDI Settings:
Driver - ASIO
Device - ASIO4ALL v2
Status - Running
Sample Rate - 44100
Latency 512 Samples

Routing Inputs:
Guitar Rig 4 In 1+2 L     1: Realtek HD Audio Input 1
Guitar Rig 4 In 1+2 R     1: Realtek HD Audio Input 2

Routing Outputs:
Guitar Rig 4 Out 1+2 L     1: HD Audio Input 1
Guitar Rig 4 Out 1+2 R     1: HD Audio Input 2

Midi Input: Blank [No device]
Midi Outputs: Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth Status: Off

I would truly appreciate it if someone could help me out with this problem.

Thanks.

The GR4 vst used as an input effect will not be heard until you play back what you have recorded if you have not enabled input monmitoring in Sonar (http://www.cakewalk.com/tips/TechTipJuly02_1.asp). If you are using it standalone I have no idea as it shouldn't need any additional setup to rout through the effects (looking in GR4 it seems like it's what you are using as standalone as the setup page matches)...

Also, Realtek is not a soundcard made to record music so there is often pretty much hassle with them. You should consider getting a dedicated audio interface as the Realtek might be a problem.

Thanks Legion... I'm not sure about 'input monitoring in Sonar' as I've never installed it.

I believe you're right about Realtek as I've been using cool Edit Pro 2.0 to record multi-tracks but the guitar sounds like a tin can even though I've tried an array of effects!

Any suggestions for an audio interface? Is that a card too?

Thanks again...

It's a typo. mgh. It should be 'output1 and output2'. Sorry. And thanks for the recommendations and suggestions.

A guitar's an instrument level device- not line level. You don't have enough gain- all GR's picking up is inherent noise.
 
ew

ew


A guitar's an instrument level device- not line level. You don't have enough gain- all GR's picking up is inherent noise.
 
ew

That's confusing ew. The pc on its own and through GR produces clean sounds from the guitar plugged in to 'Line In'. I can adjust the volume in both cases, no 'inherent noises'. It's only when I click on specific GR amps and effects or tweak 'IN & OUT' volume settings that the 'inherent noises' begin. Strangely, the clean guitar sound can be heard in spite of the noises. I've done exactly what is recommended according to the 'setup guide' in GR.

Thanks anyway ew.

Hi Robert H... like I said before, I'm new at this and my understanding is quite basic and more 'common sense' based. Only now I realize the high impedance input needed and the line level inputs issue as indicated in the replies. But I still feel there should be at least a 'bad reading' when GR amps & effects are activated. There is zilch. That is puzzling.

I wonder if anyone else has faced a similar problem [totally no amps and effects readings] and resolved it by upgrading the inputs.

Wav files are playing fine on tape deck. I believe the guitar sound IS going thru GR4 as the 'IN' meter corresponds with the guitar sounds when played. Been trying to adjust input, output and gain with guitar sounds, but mostly hear clean sound no matter which amp or effect selected. On a couple of occasions there were very slight indications of 'Flanger', but I had to turn on my amplifier to almost 2 o'clock than level which normally is enough to bring down the house!
I'm beginning to think it's a setting issue. Is there any way to reset GR4 to default or do I have to reinstall?

Thanks mgh...

BrownBlackBlues


Wav files are playing fine on tape deck. I believe the guitar sound IS going thru GR4 as the 'IN' meter corresponds with the guitar sounds when played. Been trying to adjust input, output and gain with guitar sounds, but mostly hear clean sound no matter which amp or effect selected. On a couple of occasions there were very slight indications of 'Flanger', but I had to turn on my amplifier to almost 2 o'clock than level which normally is enough to bring down the house!
I'm beginning to think it's a setting issue. Is there any way to reset GR4 to default or do I have to reinstall?

Thanks mgh...

1) As mgh said, it sounds as if you have input monitoring turned on, which is why you hear the clean guitar. Turn it off.
2 The level problem's what I mentioned- a guitar's not line level. Use a preamp of some form between your guitar and your soundcard.
 
ew

oh, and i guess because you're using the built-in soundcard, make sure in your windows sound mixer you have everything turned on.- mgh

1) As mgh said, it sounds as if you have input monitoring turned on, which is why you hear the clean guitar. Turn it off. - ewe

The above 2 comments were a little confusing. I checked my soundcard settings > mixer. There were 2 panels, 'Audio output' and 'Audio input'. Everything was turned on.

The only one I had to turn off was 'Stereo Mix' in Audio Input.

Everything works perfectly now.

I've read this complaint in many forums and on Youtube. It seems to be a simple issue of the 'Stereo Mix'.

Thanks a million guys!

Thanks mgh... you're right. After just a couple of hours playing around with the sounds I've realized that it just doesn't have the bite. It's sort of bland and no life to it. My Roland Micro Cube sounds a lot better.

By the way, why does the 'CPU' reading show 'OVER' while I'm playing and cuts off the sounds totally? Some amps are ok even though it's loud but some are barely audible yet the CPU reading shows it's "OVER'.

ew,
So it looks like I have to basically get an entire new setup, or at least upgrade almost everything from the pc to my jacks? And to think I forked out almost 2k less than a year back for this, which seem like a dinosaur now. What would you suggest? Right now, this is what I have.

WindowsXP Professional Service Pack2
AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual
Core Processor 5200+
2.69 GHz, 2.00 GB 0f Ram
350GB Hard Disk

And I'm using a standard guitar jack with a converter.

Thanks ew...

you should easily be able to run (multiple instances of) GR on that setup. of course, troubleshooting ur pc setup is a whole new ballgame! you got anything else going on whilst using GR? what does windows task manager do whlst GR is open, is the CPU load on that spiking too? i'm not sure (ew will know) but i don't know if GR standalone is a multi-threaded app, whereas it is if you use inside a host such as Sonar. anyhow, usual advice applies, such as turning off anti-virus, internet and so on whilst using any music-related software.

mgh
"..you got anything else going on whilst using GR?
Usually I have winamp and cool edit pro running.


what does windows task manager do whlst GR is open, is the CPU load on that spiking too?"
Process 10 - 16 CPU usage & performance 8 - 21 on task manager.

Will turn off anti virus etc and let you know difference is any.



Thnaks mgh

ah having all three of these apps open (GR, winamp, Cool edit) at the same time may be the issue, as they all try and grab the soundcard at the same time. Cool Edit Pro is an old old programme. Try downloading the Sonar 8 demo or Reaper and using GR as a VST inside that, and whatever you're doing with Winamp (i'm guessing playing music to play along to?) do inside Reaper/Sonar to. i'd say use Cool Edit but i don't think it supports VST.

Imagine if you were trying to play a video game whilst watching youtube and alsoediting a camcorder movie at the same time; your graphics card would struggle. same thing with the soundcard!