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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:08:47 (permalink)
Magnetism is in addition to the snap setting. If snap is off it has no effect. The big thing is that all the other Sonars seem to have had magnetism set to medium and X1 has it set to off (which kinda makes sense) by default. What sucks is the greater number of steps one has to go through to change it.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:10:27 (permalink)
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Again, I stand by my initial answer: it works as it always did.

Furthermore it does NOT work opposite of what I (and strangely enough Cakewalk) think.

snap to settings: editing snaps to the settings

magnetism feature: when on, your editing is "magnetised" to snap settings but CAN move independently of those
the strength of magnetism specifies how freely you are allowed to move off snap settings before it "magnets" and puts your editing in the place defined by snap settings
"magnetism off" doesnt mean snap is off as most people seem to think - when magnetism is off your editing has only the option to snap to settings



I'm beginning to see the disconnect. When I say it works like it always did, that means it works like it always did. When you say it, it means that it is exactly the same but different. Now that I understand that, I can interpret your posts.


Now tell me, mr smartass, what is different in these features behaviour between earlier versions and X1?

Jeeeeeesus......


I think I'm beginning to understand what this feature is.  Can you give me a practical example of its use in real life?

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:13:09 (permalink)
Yeah of course.

Lets say a user wants to freely move or slip edit audio samples but at the same time snap it to measures if need be.
With magnetism on, you are free to slip edit and when you slip edit close enough to a measure, magnetism takes place so it "snaps" there.

Rings a bell?  ;)

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:13:31 (permalink)
I'm not arguing.


does this:

"your editing is "magnetised" to snap settings... the strength of magnetism specifies how freely you are allowed to move off snap settings before it "magnets" and puts your editing in the place defined by snap settings
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suggest that low is easier to pull off?

Hi isn't as easy?

If that's the case... it almost seems like you would intuit that no magnetism would let you slip of the grid the easiest.

I think that is the part that seems counter intuitive... but as I say, if that's how it is I'm mainly glad to know and understand it better.,

Thanks again,
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:15:49 (permalink)
Mike, excuse my somewhat harsh reply, it wasnt aimed at you or Lynn, it was only aimed to those trying to tell me what the feature is, when they obviously didn't have a clue, and that wasnt you neither Lynn. Im ok with lack of knowledge, Im not ok with lack of respect and ability to discuss.

edit: exactly, low: easier to pull off, high isn't as easy, off MAGNETISM IS OFF.....now get the logic here, the FEATURE is OFF, thus you have plain 'ol snap settings.

Greetings
post edited by thegeek - 2011/01/02 19:17:43
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:16:45 (permalink)
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I'm not arguing.


does this:

"your editing is "magnetised" to snap settings... the strength of magnetism specifies how freely you are allowed to move off snap settings before it "magnets" and puts your editing in the place defined by snap settings
"

suggest that low is easier to pull off?

Hi isn't as easy?

If that's the case... it almost seems like you would intuit that no magnetism would let you slip of the grid the easiest.

I think that is the part that seems counter intuitive... but as I say, if that's how it is I'm mainly glad to know and understand it better.,

Thanks again,
mike



Off locks you to the snap setting if Snap is on. You have to turn it on (low, medium, high) for it to work. When it is on the end of the clip is magnetically drawn to the snap locations to the degree of strength it is set to. Now I understand why all manuals suck.

The easiest way to see how it works is use a version earlier than x1, open the dialog and change the settings while slip editing. X1 doesn't allow that.
post edited by 10Ten - 2011/01/02 19:18:04
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:18:53 (permalink)
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I think I'm beginning to understand what this feature is.  Can you give me a practical example of its use in real life?
In the type of music I want to do, I have to keep to a strict multiple of 8-bar phrases.
 
If I come up with a gem of a phrase, but it's only 2 bars and 3 beats long, I can quickly trim and extend the clip to 8 bars.  If it's 9 bars long, I can slip-edit it down to 8 bars.
 
Snap on, Interval set to measure, magnetism set to whatever works for me at the given zoom level. 
 
Trim tool to chop off the three beats on the end and discard that piece of the clip.  Then grab the end of the clip, drag it to the right, and it will "snap" at each measure boundary, eliminating the tediousness of having to snip and drag to the exact sample or time location.  Stop when I reach 8 bars.  Save project.  Next task.
 
If the clip is too long (the 9 bar example), I set the snap to the same thing, then grab the right and drag lefward until it "snaps" at the end of the 8th measure.
 
Unless I misunderstood your question.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:22:28 (permalink)
...excuse my somewhat harsh reply, it wasnt aimed at you or Lynn, it was only aimed to those trying to tell me what the feature is, when they obviously didn't have a clue, and that wasnt you neither Lynn. Im ok with lack of knowledge, Im not ok with lack of respect and ability to discuss.
I sincerely hope you were not referring to me. 
 
I am constantly trying to learn, and what I learn, what observations I make, I post here.  Apologies if I misinterpreted anything or are mistaken in my understanding of snap.

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:24:18 (permalink)
Thanks everyone!!!!


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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:24:54 (permalink)
No no noooooo, check out who was the first one to question my suggestion to Lynn to turn magnetism on, page 1 of the thread.

Gee, sorry for the misunderstanding, I was of course referring to 10Ten and noone else! No need to apologise, you are one of the members I enjoy reading posts from! ;)


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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:25:34 (permalink)
Basically magnetism allows you to slip edit however you want with snap on. It then provides an ability to easily hit the snap location if you choose.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:26:05 (permalink)
Aaah, you are referring to a member that I have blocked.  Thank you for the nice comment, it made my day!
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:27:26 (permalink)
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No no noooooo, check out who was the first one to question my suggestion to Lynn to turn magnetism on, page 1 of the thread.

Gee, sorry for the misunderstanding, I was of course referring to 10Ten and noone else! No need to apologise, you are one of the members I enjoy reading posts from! ;)


Why is it that I suspect you'd have better manners if we were in the same room instead of on the internet?
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:30:06 (permalink)
No I would have worse manners, after your arrogant and not proven reply to me:


I'm beginning to see the disconnect. When I say it works like it always did, that means it works like it always did. When you say it, it means that it is exactly the same but different. Now that I understand that, I can interpret your posts.


And with the same attitude I ask you, mr smart, what is different between earlier versions and X1 NOW that you bothered to LEARN what the feature does?


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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:32:07 (permalink)
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No I would have worse manners, after your arrogant and not proven reply to me:



I'm beginning to see the disconnect. When I say it works like it always did, that means it works like it always did. When you say it, it means that it is exactly the same but different. Now that I understand that, I can interpret your posts.


And with the same attitude I ask you, mr smart, what is different between earlier versions and X1 NOW that you bothered to LEARN what the feature does?


Nothing arrogant about it. At worst I was mistaken and you were still a jackass and arrogant (this is with the actual definition of the word not a made up one).
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:32:46 (permalink)
10ten please stop with the posturing. You were the impolite one here as usual. 

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:36:40 (permalink)
John


10ten please stop with the posturing. You were the impolite one here as usual. 


But you are the one with the personal attacks as usual.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:39:23 (permalink)
I have the mental and physical age necessary to spot sarcastic comments when I see them EVEN if they are not written in my native language. You were not simply mistaken, you were being sarcastic.

edit: for reference I quote again your reply, the whole reply:
10Ten

I'm beginning to see the disconnect. When I say it works like it always did, that means it works like it always did. When you say it, it means that it is exactly the same but different. Now that I understand that, I can interpret your posts.


Furthermore, I made a suggestion to Lynn about turning magnetism on and you went fast and replied without even knowing how the feature works. During the course of the thread, it has been proven that my suggestion was indeed what Lynn was asking for, you have also not proven how it is "another thing that worked better in 8.5" and your smart move was just limited to posting your findings AFTER I tought you the feature.
If you wanted to avoid my jackass me you should have studied the manual beforehand.

I wont block you though. You are as fun to read and educational as John T.


post edited by thegeek - 2011/01/02 20:03:14
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:41:22 (permalink)
Just turn off the Snap To Grid and you will beable set what you want to slip edit

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:42:21 (permalink)
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I have the mental and physical age necessary to spot sarcastic comments when I see them EVEN if they are not written in my native language. You were not simply mistaken, you were being sarcastic. Furthermore, I made a suggestion to Lynn about turning magnetism on and you went fast and replied without even knowing how the feature works. During the course of the thread, it has been proven that my suggestion was indeed what Lynn was asking for, you have also not proven how it is "another thing that worked better in 8.5" and your smart move was just limited to posting your findings AFTER I tought you the feature.
If you wanted to avoid my jackass me you should have studied the manual beforehand.

I wont block you though. You are as fun to read and educational as John T.


If you weren't so busy having your feelings hurt you'd see that because of your post I went and found out exactly how the function worked in both versions and my posts bear that out. I figured since you were so proud of your forum purple heart that you didn't want an apology though, so I didn't bother.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:44:41 (permalink)
hahahahah! Hurt? Me?

Oh yes you are fun to read indeed!!!!

edit: nice try though, you could have fooled someone else
post edited by thegeek - 2011/01/02 19:45:50
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:46:44 (permalink)
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hahahahah! Hurt? Me?

Oh yes you are fun to read indeed!!!!

edit: nice try though, you could have fooled someone else

And you called me arrogant.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:47:26 (permalink)
And you havent seen the best of me YET!
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:48:26 (permalink)
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And you havent seen the best of me YET!


I certainly hope not.
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:49:11 (permalink)
That solely depends on you! ;)
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:52:24 (permalink)
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That solely depends on you! ;)


I think you have an unhealthy fascination with me. I'm going to go back to not knowing that you exist. What are you going to do?
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:52:57 (permalink)
Throw a party?
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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 19:58:37 (permalink)
LOL

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Re:Slip editing clips 2011/01/02 20:14:53 (permalink)
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Lynn


I think I'm beginning to understand what this feature is.  Can you give me a practical example of its use in real life?
In the type of music I want to do, I have to keep to a strict multiple of 8-bar phrases.
 
If I come up with a gem of a phrase, but it's only 2 bars and 3 beats long, I can quickly trim and extend the clip to 8 bars.  If it's 9 bars long, I can slip-edit it down to 8 bars.
 
Snap on, Interval set to measure, magnetism set to whatever works for me at the given zoom level. 
 
Trim tool to chop off the three beats on the end and discard that piece of the clip.  Then grab the end of the clip, drag it to the right, and it will "snap" at each measure boundary, eliminating the tediousness of having to snip and drag to the exact sample or time location.  Stop when I reach 8 bars.  Save project.  Next task.
 
If the clip is too long (the 9 bar example), I set the snap to the same thing, then grab the right and drag lefward until it "snaps" at the end of the 8th measure.
 
Unless I misunderstood your question.


thegeek


Yeah of course.

Lets say a user wants to freely move or slip edit audio samples but at the same time snap it to measures if need be.
With magnetism on, you are free to slip edit and when you slip edit close enough to a measure, magnetism takes place so it "snaps" there.

Rings a bell?  ;)


Thank you both for clarifying this for me.  I believe that I've been using this without realizing it for a while.  When slip editing audio clips it has acted as a kind of insurance that I don't go too far and accidentally clip off the beginning of a note at the start of a measure.  I'm not sure, but I think the only difference between 8.5 and X1 are the defaults.  As for the others of you ( and you know who you are), thank you for the Sunday night version of the World Wide Wrestling Confederation.  Tag teams anyone?

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