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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 06:12:54
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+ 1 on this I like X1 a lot, but universal snap is a very unwelcome step back for any decent midi workflow. IF that was a conscious decision - what I doubt in favor of Cakewalk staff competence - it was pure nonsense. And yes, I expect a FREE update concerning that, not accepting to pay for fixing a silly downgrade in a key area of everyday work.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 07:06:30
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YEESS PLEAAASEEEE!!!! I hate changing my snap settings all the time, I am sure that most of people work with "Measure Snap" on TV....and 1/16 on PRV
Is it so much work for cakewalk to have it on the next update?? Come on, I know you can do it!!
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 08:28:00
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And from Zyler Vega Cakewalk Moderator" "We have made a number of fixes to Snap Settings so you can rely on them staying as you set them - but no, for X1b we did not add any sort of 2nd Snap Setting; it's still global." From this post http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2219683
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 08:35:13
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I posted a similar thread a few weeks ago and couldn't find anyone that didn't want the two settings. It's not going to happen in X1b. I think what it will take is for us to flood them with feature requests. I was thinking about an additional post containing a link to the feature request page to make it easy for let's say a hundred of us to post. Then, maybe we'll get this feature back in X2.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 08:42:34
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guitartrek
I posted a similar thread a few weeks ago and couldn't find anyone that didn't want the two settings. It's not going to happen in X1b. I think what it will take is for us to flood them with feature requests. I was thinking about an additional post containing a link to the feature request page to make it easy for let's say a hundred of us to post. Then, maybe we'll get this feature back in X2.
gt, I edited the OP to include the feature request page and some verbage that we can submit to keep the request focused. I'll edit again if needed.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 09:05:58
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Fantastic! I just posted a request.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 10:00:09
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Thank you FBB and HumbleNoise for the links. I submitted a feature request also. Below is the content of the FR: I would like the ability to have indepedent snap to settings for the track view and the piano roll view. For example, I would like to have a snap to setting of measure in the track view, yet when I open the piano roll view, I would like to set the snap to setting to 1/16. I also would like the snap to settings to remain at what I set them, until I change them to something else. I hope this could be done in an X1 update, but if it can't be done until X2 or the next major SONAR upgrade, I see it as better late than never.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 10:26:30
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FastBikerBoy
To the OPs question. Yep, definitely I can't see any downside at all. If someone does want them the same they can always set them the same.
@Lynn
"I would like my snap settings to remember the last setting I've used and quit defaulting to 1/16th notes each time I open X1."
Set your snap-to times from within the PRV or with it the active window. The bug isn't that X1 'forgets' the setting. The bug is that the PRV will always change the snap-to to what it was last set to in the PRV, if that makes sense. That's why the snap-to seems to randomly change. Once you understand the bug it is relatively easy to work round. Of course fixing the bug would be the better option but in the meantime............
Didn't know that. Thanks. I do 90% of my work in the Track View, but I'll give this a try. I just hope that the Snap setting will be saved with my work.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 10:32:03
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+1 for bringing back separate snap settings.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 11:04:51
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Lynn
FastBikerBoy
To the OPs question. Yep, definitely I can't see any downside at all. If someone does want them the same they can always set them the same.
@Lynn
"I would like my snap settings to remember the last setting I've used and quit defaulting to 1/16th notes each time I open X1."
Set your snap-to times from within the PRV or with it the active window. The bug isn't that X1 'forgets' the setting. The bug is that the PRV will always change the snap-to to what it was last set to in the PRV, if that makes sense. That's why the snap-to seems to randomly change. Once you understand the bug it is relatively easy to work round. Of course fixing the bug would be the better option but in the meantime............
Didn't know that. Thanks. I do 90% of my work in the Track View, but I'll give this a try. I just hope that the Snap setting will be saved with my work.
Let us know how you get on. I hope I made sense 'cos it's quite a confusing bug but once set it shouldn't change (unless you change it of course) as long as you have the PRV open, even if it's minimised and docked. If you close the PRV and then re-open it that's when the PRV changes the snap-to setting. Of course if it's the same as the current setting you don't notice it and if it's different you do. That's why it seems so random, but it is consistent. To see what I mean open the PRV and set the snap-to at say a measure with the PRV as the active window and then minimise it. Change the snap-to in the TV to say 1/32 and then maximise the PRV. All should be well and the snap-to should remain at 1/32. You can now change it as much as you like from either window and it will stay 'remembered' as long as you don't actually close the PRV completely. To see the bug 'in action' - following on from the example above and assuming you haven't yet closed the PRV completely yet, change the snap-to to a 64th either within the PRV or TV. Now close the PRV and change the snap-to in the TV to a measure. Re-open the PRV and the bug hits changing the snap-to to a 64th. Annoying, but at least it can be worked round, as I said though fixing it would be better. TBH the first thing I do in a project now is open up a PRV set the snap-to minimize it and then I never get bothered by it at all. Hope that makes sense and helps.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 11:23:58
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chrisharbin:
See this what ticks me off, I'm going to get labeled as the bad guy and all I'm doing is saying what was said. I'm not going back through thread after thread and page after page to dig this out for someone to believe me or not.
Relax , I was pretty tired when I responded, and I said I hoped it was accidental misinformation or misunderstanding, perhaps from misinterpretation - I never said it was definitely some malicious misrepresentation, and I just wanted to check out what they said. There is more of me hoping Cakewalk in really not this clueless on this issue in the intention of that sentence, and I did not mean to imply you were in any way the bad guy. Bub:
You go girl! You give them an ultimatum, maybe! LOL! :)
Sorry, your "probably" line struck my funny bone. :) HEHE!
Indeed, It does sound funny- my excuse is I was super tired when I wrote that. I remember thinking that if they ever wrote a version with awesome features and very few bugs (maybe for Sonar X19) I might buy in again, hence the "probably". Right now its clear to me that too little happens in terms of mature development for the last few cycles - and they have seemed to abandon ever fixing some bugs. I know Cakewalk needs to eat, but their recent approach of form over function has rubbed me the wrong way and done permanent damage to my customer relationship with them. So I am actually very serious about what I said before - but without the "probably". I will not upgrade again if they are going to make me pay out a bunch of money to get something significant fixed that they broke. What kind of company does that?
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 11:28:24
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HumbleNoise
And from Zyler Vega Cakewalk Moderator"
"We have made a number of fixes to Snap Settings so you can rely on them staying as you set them - but no, for X1b we did not add any sort of 2nd Snap Setting; it's still global."
From this post http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2219683
Thanks HumbleNoise for the constructive and informative thread. I am pretty upset about this as this particular change in X1, but I think you have identified the best path forward, which is for us to put in a feature request and hope for the best. Frustrations are all well and good, but they don't do much to solve the problem. Appreciate your effort. D
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 12:26:00
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Yes! Everybody put in feature requests...
That will keep it high on their' priories... tho it wasn't enough to make it for X1b (tho they might still surprise us?)...
Just keep your eyes on benstat's X1 helper as it helps resolve this issue right now!...
so don't worry so much about this fix... It is one of the most important for me too... and without benstat's help I'd be screaming! (or am I?)...
this should never have happened let alone not get immediate attention!
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 12:28:40
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cornieleous
HumbleNoise
And from Zyler Vega Cakewalk Moderator"
"We have made a number of fixes to Snap Settings so you can rely on them staying as you set them - but no, for X1b we did not add any sort of 2nd Snap Setting; it's still global."
From this post http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2219683
Thanks HumbleNoise for the constructive and informative thread. I am pretty upset about this as this particular change in X1, but I think you have identified the best path forward, which is for us to put in a feature request and hope for the best. Frustrations are all well and good, but they don't do much to solve the problem. Appreciate your effort.
D
No sweat cornieleous, Let's hope the Bakers are really listening. I sent my request in.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 18:14:43
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Feature request made (again). I also requested that the name, home address, email address, telephone numbers, social security number, and PIN numbers all be made public for whoever's brilliant idea it was to make this a global setting. Was that too much to ask? 
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/05 20:42:16
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I think if we keep on bringing this up every couple of weeks and encourage people to submit feature requests we'll get it back in a future update.
Those who edit midi right in the track view probably don't even know that the feature was taken out. They are probably used to switching the snap resolution manually because they stay in Track view. But those of us who edit in the PRV really miss that feature.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/02/06 02:00:25
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Well now that we have the new Helper that Ben created the snap feature i can care less its works Flawless
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 09:06:24
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Hi, I am reading the last x1b update info and cant find anything on this snap setting changing from PRV and Track view
I am so TIRED of changing snap settings ALL the day, I work like 8 hours a day whith sonar and its really frustating me.
Funny thing is that it changes when you open PRV, but when you close it and go to TV..it remains the PRV snap setting
As it is in the 09 may info..it seams that its going to be the same on the x1b update?
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 09:28:34
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I think the Bakers have said they won't be changing it in X1b.
At the risk of making a nuisance of myself, have you tried SONAR Plus (link in my sig) which fixes this issue? If you decide you want to check it out, bear in mind I will be releasing the full version 1 update tonight (UK time), so I recommend waiting for that before downloading.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 09:55:53
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 10:03:02
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I change snap-settings constantly and it's new “globalization”, if you will, doesn't bother me. In fact I like it. That's because I can change to any snap-setting faster than any of you can say “keyboard-shortcuts”.
But
In principle I think Cakewalk should listen to the majority of it's customer, even though I'm the one who's right and everyone else is wrong... *duck*
If they however do decide to change it back to two independent settings, like most users want, it is very important that we can still use the same key-bindings for both PVR and TV.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 11:02:42
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Independent Snap for
Staff
PRV
TV
Very extra pretty please and configurable from within each respective window.
Thank you.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 11:31:52
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Thanks Benstat, I will download Sonar Plus tonight...cant understand how we need "external" people like you for addressing this issues! you should be paid by cakewalk  I just checked cubase and OF COURSE it also has independent snap settings. And I am sure everyone is used to work on that way because sonar 8.5 also worked like that
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 12:57:46
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And, somewhat tangentialy, could we please have the smart tool have the option to remember the last note we inserted when inserting the next note? AND...could we please not have ALL FRIGGIN NOTES SELECTED when entering the PRV. What is that for anyway?? What possible use is it?? I'm listening.
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Re:Quick Poll: Would You Like To See The Snap Settings Change From The PRV to The TV?
2011/03/11 14:13:52
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HumbleNoise
...and match the custom settings you choose?
I was just responding to a thread and I assumed that everyone would like this feature but of course that's not so smart so I was wondering if there are different opinions out there.
I'll reword if you think it's needed.
EDIT: I've edited this post to include a link to the feature request page and some rough text so we can request, if you like, a similar feature. Of course the text is only a suggestion.
"Please include an option to include a separate, customizable, snap setting for the Track View and the Piano Roll View."
Here's the feature request link.
http://www.cakewalk.com/S.port/FeatureRequest.aspx
Yes, I would like independent settings...tired of always changing, thanks!
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