Norrie
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Recording Vocals
Hi all
Hope you can help I am not much of a singer but have been working on some of my solo stuff.
Whats happening is everytime I sing I set the pre level and I never use compression I add that after.
When I start to sing no matter what part or word or phrase in the track it always seems to have a big spike at the begining and then the rest is ok..... if I stop then start again it will do it agin at the part I have droped in at. ( I have tryed it with compression on it aswell and still the same type of thing is hapening )
Its never enough to cause it to peek but is strange to see such a difference in wave form for what seems like no reason to me. Its not causeing any sound problems just weird haha.
I thought it was the way I have been singing but its doing it with other peoples tracks aswell when I have been recording them.
My mic I am useing is a AKG Perception 220
What would be a reason for this ?
Thanks guys
Norrie
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 19:45:08
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You've been doing this long enough Norrie that I hope I am not offending you by asking this... Could it be you need a pop filter? is it the plosives or just any sound?
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 19:59:02
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Around 7and a half months now ive been learning to record... I think... I do feel silly asking this but thought what the hey if I dont ask I wont know...... Ive just been geting on with it since its not actualy been causeing a problem but I would like to think it wont start a problem at some point. I am useing a pop filter and a SE reflection filter. It seems to be any sound any word any person I just have to reduce the pre so that its makeing sure it never peeks at the begining but if I can sort that out I can push the pre higher and maybe have better sounding vocals than I do Like I said I aint much of a singer and I do have a lot to learn as you will tell from here..... http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2167123 As everyone Ive spoken to here knows I just want to learn how to use my gear properly and not fall in to bad habbits :) Thanks for the reply Norrie
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 20:23:10
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try it without the SE Reflection filter.
also, what preamp are you using, I don't recognize anything in your list as a pre.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 20:28:19
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Another guess is that you are too close to the mic and popping your p's. Try backing off the mic - a foot back if you are 6 inches, etc. And singing at an angle to the mic rather than head on.
Seven months ain't a long time, considering all the art you are trying to learn. Just keep experimenting.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 20:29:38
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try it without the SE Reflection filter.
also, what preamp are you using, I don't recognize anything in your list as a pre.
Good point there Beagle I have never actualy tryed it with out the RF I am useing the VS 700
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 20:42:40
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AT
Another guess is that you are too close to the mic and popping your p's. Try backing off the mic - a foot back if you are 6 inches, etc. And singing at an angle to the mic rather than head on.
Seven months ain't a long time, considering all the art you are trying to learn. Just keep experimenting.
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Hi AT Thanks for the reply. Ive tryed that at the momment I am about 3 ft away from the mic Ive tryed close in and bringing the level down and going thurther away and bringing the level up and Ive tryed adjusting the levels at different distances. Its always just the first mili second of any take that shoots up hi then the rest sits good I will take a screen print tomorow to let you see when I am at the Daw. Like I said its not a huge issue but I would like to know whats causeing it incase it starts to cause problems later on down the line . I just want to be doing things right :) Norrie
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/12 21:07:40
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Is it just the 1st word of each take or the 1st word of every sentence?
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 07:35:02
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Is it just the 1st word of each take or the 1st word of every sentence?
First part of every take that why I find it strange
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 07:44:06
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it could very easy be the metronome causing this. If you use a metronome in record mode and you have a beat count before it starts to record try to put the start now time 1 meter before. Or disable the metronome just to check.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 07:48:26
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Yeah I normaly record with a click but if I am doing a drop in I normaly have it a good few bars back from when the drop in is. then its recording for a few bars before I actualy do the take.
I would be suprsed if it was this.
I can try disableing the metronome aswell though
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 07:53:11
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i only mentioned it because it has happened to me before. just try it and we'll see what happens.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 08:06:09
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Norrie
Yeah I normaly record with a click but if I am doing a drop in I normaly have it a good few bars back from when the drop in is. then its recording for a few bars before I actualy do the take.
I would be suprsed if it was this.
I can try disableing the metronome aswell though
Norrie
I will try disableing it and see what happens :)
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 08:20:47
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Ridicilous or impossible, but still:
The description of the problem makes me think there's some kind of a automatic level control, limiter, compressor or whatever that forces the level down too late.
Did I understand right: There's no signs of this behaviour when you are testing the levels, and it only occurs with microphone recordings, not with guitar DI-recordings or other? Is it only this one mic, or others too? Could there be a dysfunctional -dB-switch in the mic? Just speculating....
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 09:02:53
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The SE Reflexion wouldn't have anything to do with it. I use one also and it is awesome. If it is always at the beginning of the phrase and not in the middle too, and you're sure it isn't that you are too close and the pop filter is not doing its job, then it does sound like maybe an automatic compression going on with the pre-amp.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 11:42:07
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Yea, I didn't much like the VS700's built in comp. Just diable it and see if that helps. If you already have disabled it, hmmm.
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 12:00:05
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Is it possible to attach an image of the waveform? Most singers that are not used to singing with cans on their ears come in strong when they start and very quickly(sometimes only a second or less) adjust their singing volume after the first word/syllable. This is why it's only that innitial spike and the rest is good. This is a source problem, and i don't see any reason for that first spike to come from a preamp. If it was a preamp it should spike every so often. When compressing after the fact, does it tame easily?
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 15:53:46
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Ridicilous or impossible, but still:
The description of the problem makes me think there's some kind of a automatic level control, limiter, compressor or whatever that forces the level down too late.
Did I understand right: There's no signs of this behaviour when you are testing the levels, and it only occurs with microphone recordings, not with guitar DI-recordings or other? Is it only this one mic, or others too? Could there be a dysfunctional -dB-switch in the mic? Just speculating....
Thats correct only ocurs with the mic not DI recording. It has a -20 db switch on the mic
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 15:55:58
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AT
Yea, I didn't much like the VS700's built in comp. Just diable it and see if that helps. If you already have disabled it, hmmm.
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Hi AT ! Yeah I have the comp disabled so we are back to hmmmmmmmm haha
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 15:59:07
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Is it possible to attach an image of the waveform?
Most singers that are not used to singing with cans on their ears come in strong when they start and very quickly(sometimes only a second or less) adjust their singing volume after the first word/syllable. This is why it's only that innitial spike and the rest is good. This is a source problem, and i don't see any reason for that first spike to come from a preamp. If it was a preamp it should spike every so often.
When compressing after the fact, does it tame easily?
I will post up a screen print as soon as I get to the Daw I have been away all day and just back. I have tryed with cans off and cans on on ear on one ear off with my In ears in and one in ears out but its the same ( sounds like the musical version of the hokey cokey haha ) Its the same with other singers not just me but I will get a screen print asap Yeah it seems to tame no problem at all when compressing almost as if its not there at all there is no difference in sound level that is very noticeable its just the wave form. Norrie
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Re:Recording Vocals
2011/02/13 16:00:25
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One other thing I ment to say is I am going to try the Pre amp on my TC helicon and see if I still get this
I will report back as soon as I get a chance
Norrie
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