Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Wish there was more I could do, but I'm not sure what it would be at this point.

Migrate to vBulletin ?

I've been having a problem lately where I log in to the forums and my wireless lan card and 3G wireless router will freeze and I'll have to reboot everything. Sometimes several times. It happens on 2 different PC's.

It only happens on the forums here, no other web site.

Any thoughts on that?

trimph1


mmmm...what's really funny is that my email from this site to reset the password came through the day after I requested a password reset...so I'm guessing there was a cache of this waiting someplace?

@Bub...I kept getting freezes here...just on this site as well...but I'm wondering if there is not a set time to do server work....I know that today we had a number of outages due to snow coming off of hydro lines around here...

I reset your password myself manually in response to your PM. Sent you a PM about this to your "2" account.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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And FWIW I think the quoting system is great once you understand it. 

Please feel free to enlighten us!

For me, on Chrome on the Mac, multi-msg and multi-line replies are total pain.

@Brandon...I saw that!..the funny thing was that it showed as the other one showed up as well...so I ended up with 3 emails from same source...


Thanks so much..it was very odd seeing myself and another Trimph there...

I believe the problem with the login is related to the following 2 security updates.  I had been on the forum prior to the update and after I did the shutdown for the update to go into effect I had to do the re-login.  I also had to click the "Save Cookie" box before it would allow the login. 

The following from the MS site (these numbers are for an XP Pro 64bit so other OS may have a different number)
Security Update KB2479943 and KB2481109
A security issue has been identified that could allow an unauthenticated remote attacker to compromise your system and gain control over it. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.

This particular forum software relies heavily on JavaScript to operate as intended. JavaScript is not run at the server level, it is run on the users computer. Every browser handles JavaScript a little differently even though there are suppose to be standards.

Internet Explorer is the arguably the worst for handling JavaScript, and is extremely vulnerable to MS Updates (more than the other browsers are) because it is an integral part of the Operating System.

• The loss of login means the cookie has been disturbed. Usually you can just log back in again to reset it, but if that is failing, you may need to find the old cookie and delete it first. If it is a Microsoft update causing the grief, you may need to wait for them to patch that problem.
• If you are having a problem with a particular browser, try another. Firefox, Safari, Opera, Chrome - these are all free downloads and easy installs on a PC. You'll have similar choices on a Mac, but of course Safari is the default rather than IE.

Since the last Microsoft updates, my IE has lost every login to every site I use it in. That problem is most certainly related to an MS update. IE is having a hard time remembering, but Firefox is doing just fine - so I'll stick to that for now.


Bub: I've never seen the problem you are having - that's very odd. Do you have any way to bypass the router altogether to make sure that is the source of the problem? If you know for certain it is the router, have you checked for a Firmware update? Aside from a Firewall, routers are suppose to be very transparent, and if that one is not - I would be be asking them why! The only difference between this forum and others is it's heavy use of JavaScript. JavaScript should not matter to a router.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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I'm no forum software "expert" , but it's not simple from what I understand. I'm not sure if you've ever migrated a forum as huge as ours, but I'm told it's no trivial task and loss of data may indeed be inevitable due to differences in software.

The creation of the new forum for X1 would have been the ideal opportunity to slowly migrate to new forum software with zero risk of losing any data because there was no data yet! (Leave the old forums on the current software, use the new software for the X1 forum). Btw, because the search feature is so abysmal, data history is not as relevant as it might be.

You could even have just re-created all the forums with the new software and locked all the old forums but leave them available for searching (and access to messages, contact books etc). It isn't exactly rocket science to migrate to new software.

No software or changes have been made to the forum server whatsoever is what they tell me. These are pretty technical people FWIW.

If they were really that technical they would be managing Unix/Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD web servers. Not Microsoft.
 And they would have long advised management to get proper forum software.

I don't get what the big beef is with this forum software.

One obvious one: Your mailbox is always full Brandon. But how about for instance the way that vBulletin automatically names an URL link with the title of the page that is being linked? How about that this crappy forum software ALWAYS resizes images even when they fit perfectly within the post? (And thus making everything blurry). How about the fact that the forum regularly throws out error pages. (This is not browser dependant). It is the most CPU intensive forum of all the forums I visit. Although I clearly understand how to quote in this forum , the number of misquoted messages attests to how unintuitive the interface is.

Etc etc etc 

Seriously, this forum software is complete crap and it reflects badly on Cakewalk, a technology company, that they use it.

UnderTow

codamedia

trimph1


MS updates on my Vista..yes that Evil Empire... ...without any issues..in fact the last one I went through there was no site having issues here...and that was on IE8...


This particular event happened on my Google Chrome...


 

That is interesting - as Google Chrome is optimized for JavaScript and JS Libraries better than any other browser out there. That would point toward some poor JavaScript programming on the forum software - or "spaghetti" JS programming rather than using proven and well maintained libraries.
 
Off topic: Are you shoveling out from another snow storm Trimph1? Here in the Peg we just got another Alberta Clipper complete with a blizzard and all hiways are shut down again. -30C with wind chill again this morning. YIKES!

We got about 14" of heavy wet snow here..it's now 34F and going up to 36F this afternoon...in the rain...yuck...

Oh here is another annoying thing with this forum software: If you refresh the forum index, it "unbolds" thread topics that you haven't read yet. Duh! I want to be able to tell at all times which thread I have or haven't read. Even if you never refresh it but just reload the page by clicking on the "SONAR X1 Producer, Studio & Essential " link at the top of the forum it will set all topics beyond a certain age (or is it the number of threads? Who knows. It is arbitrary and that sucks) as though they have been read.

The forum software is horrible on so many levels...

UnderTow

UnderTow


Oh here is another annoying thing with this forum software: If you refresh the forum index, it "unbolds" thread topics that you haven't read yet. Duh! I want to be able to tell at all times which thread I have or haven't read. Even if you never refresh it but just reload the page by clicking on the "SONAR X1 Producer, Studio & Essential " link at the top of the forum it will set all topics beyond a certain age (or is it the number of threads? Who knows. It is arbitrary and that sucks) as though they have been read.

The forum software is horrible on so many levels...

UnderTow

If you think THIS forum software is bad, check out the Presonus forums.   No navigation, No user selectable forums to include/exclude, no reading only subscribed threads, etc.   
 
Now that's what I call bad forum software.   Good DAW, bad forum software lol.
 
 

 
Not quite sure what happened here...
 
I hadn't been receiving e-mail notifications of new posts since about this time yesterday, so this afternoon I cleared out all my cookies etc and logged back in again... still nothing.
 
Then about an hour ago, I suddenly received every one I'd missed since then - all 125 of them!
 
Now I officially know I need to spend more time with Bapu get out more
 
 

ba_midi

SteveStrummerUK


 
Not quite sure what happened here...
 
I hadn't been receiving e-mail notifications of new posts since about this time yesterday, so this afternoon I cleared out all my cookies etc and logged back in again... still nothing.
 
Then about an hour ago, I suddenly received every one I'd missed since then - all 125 of them!
 
Now I officially know I need to spend more time with Bapu get out more
 
 

But Steve -- if you spend more time with Bapu  get out more, that will change everything  only some things will change

 
LOL
 
Mind you, I think 122 of those notifications were from Bapsi's posts.
 
BTW, he's taking delivery of a brand spanking new hand-made 5-string bass on Tuesday though Billy - getting to play that beauty in should drag his daily post count in here down to about 500