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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/18 17:03:48
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Yeah I can duplicate it with those specific parameters Noel.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/18 19:17:40
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk ] I reproduced it. The recipe is very specific and not a general issue. 1. You have to have the track interleave set to mono to reproduce the issue. 2. You have to have a DX plugin in an effects chain that can ONLY do stereo processing. Such as the Sonitus delay, reverb or some of the others listed. The issue was that the effects chain is not acknowedging the fact that the plugin was mono only. You can see this in the interleave graphic painted in the bin. It shows mono when it should have shown stereo. Well, since I created the test project by using audio tracks with the default settings, i.e., I didn't change anything...I just added a default audio track, does that mean the track interleave default is set to mono? If so, than anyone using the default audio track settings and some of the Sonitus FXs is going to experience the same frustrating issue.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/18 19:20:52
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amiller If so, than anyone using the default audio track settings and some of the Sonitus FXs is going to experience the same frustrating issue. Like I did when I first tried your setup and probably most others as you suggest since it is the default set up. I have to think it's good thing when the chief technology officer of company posts that he indeed was able to duplicate the problem. X1b? Can't say but it is certainly on the radar.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/18 19:27:38
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OK, I just checked my personal email and found that Cake was indeed able to recreate the issue on their own. ...hence, they will not need any file from me. Also, the issue has been sent to "Development." So, my guess is we won't see it fixed in X1(b). Cake wrote: "This is confirmation that we have been able to reproduce the behavior you are experiencing and that it is indeed unintended. We have logged this issue as an official report with our development team and hope to have it addressed in a future release."
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 12:55:06
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So, my guess is we won't see it fixed in X1(b). Glad to see that Noel was able to reproduce the issue... In the meantime, to work around the problem: Save the desired FX Chain... load it... then drag/drop each effect (from the Chain) into the Bin. You could also use Track Templates...
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 12:59:52
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Jim Roseberry So, my guess is we won't see it fixed in X1(b).
Glad to see that Noel was able to reproduce the issue... In the meantime, to work around the problem: Save the desired FX Chain... load it... then drag/drop each effect (from the Chain) into the Bin. You could also use Track Templates... Or - another workaround is to not use FX chains until X1B ;) But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim?
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 13:17:45
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But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim? Hi Billy Yes, If the track's interleave is set to Mono... you experience the problem. If the track's interleave setting is Stereo... the audio plays as expected.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 13:28:42
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Jim Roseberry But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim?
Hi Billy Yes, If the track's interleave is set to Mono... you experience the problem. If the track's interleave setting is Stereo... the audio plays as expected. AH, so the circumstance is specific. Good to know, though I hope it won't matter with X1B ;) Thanks Jim.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 16:48:20
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Jim Roseberry But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim? Hi Billy Yes, If the track's interleave is set to Mono... you experience the problem. If the track's interleave setting is Stereo... the audio plays as expected. OK, guys, tell me about interleave. What is it? What does it do? What impact does it have on a mono recorded track?
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 17:01:56
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amiller Jim Roseberry But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim? Hi Billy Yes, If the track's interleave is set to Mono... you experience the problem. If the track's interleave setting is Stereo... the audio plays as expected. OK, guys, tell me about interleave. What is it? What does it do? What impact does it have on a mono recorded track? Interleave simply means it's either a MONO or a STEREO track. Most tracks default to stereo. If you click on the Interleave widget it will change (toggle). So if you have a stereo source (let's say a kick sample) that you prefer to be mono, you simply click the interleave button to make that one track mono.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 17:04:38
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Man I was having this same issue with a recent project and it was driving me nuts! My fix was to delete the EFX chain, and then re-drag and drop it in. It will work fine for me until the project is loaded again...then I'm back to the half speed thing. Glad I wasn't going nuts. :)
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 17:10:05
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ba_midi amiller Jim Roseberry But I find it interesting that Noel repro'd the bug and it seemed to be related to "mono" ... was that what you discovered too, Jim? Hi Billy Yes, If the track's interleave is set to Mono... you experience the problem. If the track's interleave setting is Stereo... the audio plays as expected. OK, guys, tell me about interleave. What is it? What does it do? What impact does it have on a mono recorded track? Interleave simply means it's either a MONO or a STEREO track. Most tracks default to stereo. If you click on the Interleave widget it will change (toggle). So if you have a stereo source (let's say a kick sample) that you prefer to be mono, you simply click the interleave button to make that one track mono. Your explanation actually confuses me more. For instance, if I use one mic and record a guitar the resulting track will be mono. It seems odd to me that I can simply hit a button and change it to stereo. That sort of flys in the face of the definition of stereo. Stereo, to me, means recording a source with two separate mics capturing a single source from two separate vantage points. Mic "A" will go to one track while mic "B" goes to a different track. Both tracks will have different information and will sound different. Playing both tracks back yields a stereo image.
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Re:Ah...I think this is a bug? FX Chain
2011/03/19 18:04:26
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Your explanation actually confuses me more. For instance, if I use one mic and record a guitar the resulting track will be mono. It seems odd to me that I can simply hit a button and change it to stereo. That sort of flys in the face of the definition of stereo. Stereo, to me, means recording a source with two separate mics capturing a single source from two separate vantage points. Mic "A" will go to one track while mic "B" goes to a different track. Both tracks will have different information and will sound different. Playing both tracks back yields a stereo image. You misunderstood a bit. Tracks, by default, are stereo in Sonar. You can change them to MONO or 'back to' stereo. You can change it TO stereo. If you record a mono source (let's say an analog input from your sound card through it's MIC input) you probably will see it show up on one side of the track (most likely left) unless you card is setup to 'link' inputs (ie, MONO inputs go to both L and R). Regardless. Track interleave is the "Track's" setting, not the input setting.
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