Powering on/off my Studio Monitors

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/21 00:20:55 (permalink)
I understand that you don't like the auto mode. It will always have a certain delay.
So, do the monitors pop if you are in "on" mode and nothing is connected and you use the power switch of the monitors to turn them on? If so, I would check with Behringer if that is normal. I wouldn't think so.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/21 09:05:34 (permalink)
Wilko - I could deal with it if it were just a "delay" turning on for the auto mode, but the problem is that they won't come on at all, or ONE of them will come on and not the other.  it may be because I have the levels low, and might be that if I turn them up they would both come on in that mode, I haven't tried it simply because I don't like that work around.  this may be something that is "broken" on my particular monitors, I don't know. 

I haven't tried turning them on with no inputs connected, I can try that (although that will only be information, not a solution - I cannot plug and unplug the cables all the time, that's not reasonable).  but it doesn't matter if I turn the soundcard and mixer on before or after the monitors, I get a pop either way.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/21 21:14:45 (permalink)
I just tried and they DO pop regardless of whether they have the input connected or not.  they simply pop every time they're turned on.

BTW - you looked at the manual for these, but you probably looked at the B2031A's not the B2031.  I have the originals - there is a rev A out now.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/22 00:15:06 (permalink)
So, if both of them pop, then it is probably a design flaw. It may still be worthwhile sending them an email.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/22 10:57:56 (permalink)
I could and might, but I suspect their answer will be to upgrade to the newer version.  like I said above, I have the original version, not the newer version (which "newer" has been out for several years, actually).

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/02 18:03:51 (permalink)
I know this is pretty old but I'd love to know where you got that thing. My dad had one when I was a kid but I've never seen one again.
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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/02 19:34:30 (permalink)
 
Tripp-Lite appear to make modern-day equivalents of what's called an "Under-Monitor Surge Protector"  :
 
One model (click on the picture to go to the product page) :
 

 
Another :
 
 

Really fancy :

And :

post edited by Paul P - 2016/03/02 22:25:20

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/02 23:21:29 (permalink)
Awesome! Thanks for the info Paul.
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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/03 11:40:09 (permalink)
My Equator Audios pop when I turn them on. They also pop a couple of times when Windows is firing up, which leaves me to believe it's something to do with my RME Babyface.

With regard to turning off monitors when you're not using them, well leaving them on is a mistake I will never make again. A year or so ago I left them on while I was at work and there was a power surge (some idiot working on the building electrics) which totally blew them. Came home to dead monitors.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/07 17:08:52 (permalink)
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My Equator Audios pop when I turn them on. They also pop a couple of times when Windows is firing up, which leaves me to believe it's something to do with my RME Babyface.

With regard to turning off monitors when you're not using them, well leaving them on is a mistake I will never make again. A year or so ago I left them on while I was at work and there was a power surge (some idiot working on the building electrics) which totally blew them. Came home to dead monitors.

even tho I was writing about those popping Behringers several years ago originally in this thread, I never did resolve it and I've never upgraded those monitors - still use them.  they still pop every time, regardless.  power conditioner did not help - it's obviously a design flaw.
 
but thank you sharke for the heads up on leaving them on most of the time, which I tend to do since I can't get them to stop popping when I turn them on.  I guess i need to rethink leaving them on most of the time.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/07 17:32:15 (permalink)
Is the popping actually bad for a monitor or is it just annoying?

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/08 01:15:36 (permalink)
Would love to know about the actual damage too
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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/08 08:00:52 (permalink)
the popping can damage the speaker cone by loosening it from its suspension.  popping is due to a voltage spike which basically would be the same thing as a very high volume input for a short period of time which will cause the cone to move too fast and far in that time (milliseconds).
 
PROBABLY most near fields are not going to have a problem because they're not designed for higher volume and the cones can probably withstand a lot of abuse before they start separating.  the larger the wattage of the amp the more likely damage will occur.
 
but it is very annoying on the near fields!

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/10 08:23:04 (permalink)
Thanks for the info.

Would something like this:
http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/

or this:
http://goo.gl/8z5SQZ

when turned down before booting up solve this issue?
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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/10 08:49:20 (permalink)
I think having a volume knob of some kind (what you have listed above or even through a small mixer) is always an intelligent approach for many reasons.  However, it really depends on your specific situation if it will help with pops or not.  as in my case, I'm 99% certain the design of the amps in the speakers are at fault.  after all, they've had a rev B out for several years!  I just need to upgrade to get the better design! 
 

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/10 10:19:02 (permalink)
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Would something like this:
http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/

or this:
http://goo.gl/8z5SQZ

when turned down before booting up solve this issue?



These won't help at all since the problem is between the speaker drivers and their amp and power supply, all of which are inside a powered monitor.  Turning down the volume control on the monitor itself during startup may help, but this is often impractical or impossible.  I see that some powered monitors have some sort of soft-start circuit - they should all have one.  The problem is the surge/spike caused by switching on the monitor's power supply which then ripples through the electronics, gets amplified by the power amp to then pop the speakers.  Once the monitors are on, the same situation can happen if you then turn on something upstream and a startup spike from that gets sent to the monitors.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2016/03/21 05:53:59 (permalink)
I did not see anyone mention the quality of the switches on power strips. In my experience some of them are so poorly designed they sparkle very easily when used. That might be one factor in the popping.

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Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2017/12/18 06:04:36 (permalink)
It is easy to control all the devices by one button. but that is not good for devices. You can switch off the power strip to power off all the connected devices and save energy after all the devices have been turned off. My bestek and each can be controlled individually. But I just find it hard to remember switching off the power strip every time I don't need the computer or TV. 
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