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2011/03/19 15:32:14 (permalink)

Powering on/off my Studio Monitors

Hey guys,

I'm wondering if it's appropriate to turn my studio monitors on/off by means of a power strip...so instead of powering on/off the left, right and sub monitors individually I could leave them all in the on position and then power them on/off by the power button on a power strip? My concern is, is this harmful to the circuitry? The reason I ask is due to reaching behind the monitors to turn them on/off every time I tend to inadvertently move the volume knobs and this has ended me up with a bad mix or two because I don't find out that the volume is wrong until it's too late....especially concerning the sub monitor. I know that since this is an issue for me that I should be checking the levels on my monitors before I start working.....I'm trying to figure out an easier way to do this so that I don't need reach/look behind my monitors to check and power them on/off every time I'm working....  the power strip seems to be a decent solution.  

I also ran into this thread that recommends not powering down my monitors or anything else in my studio for that matter

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1355851

Feedback appreciated. 
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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 15:40:34 (permalink)
    The power strip switch should be fine.

    Turning gear on and off exposes it to quick changes in temperature which can eventually lead to a part wearing out.

    Leaving stuff on all the time means you will waste energy that is currently under valued but will soon be priced beyond most people capability to afford it.

    You get to decide how you feel about stuff like that and do what works best for you.


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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 16:01:58 (permalink)
    That is exactly how I have my setup which consists of powered monitors up front, an amp/PA speakers in rear, and two subs.

    I looked at getting a rackmount unit but the powerstrip was here already and it works just fine though not as elegant.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 16:01:59 (permalink)
    Awesome,...thanks guys!
     
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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 16:06:24 (permalink)
    I use a power strip for mine, but what really bothers me about it is the POP when I turn them on and the air pumping out of the ports.  it's strange to me, tho, that sometimes the pop is louder/more air is pumped than at other times.

    I wonder if I could build or buy a capacitive circuit which would power them up slowly instead of pumping full current to them all at once?

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 16:17:33 (permalink)
    I was getting the pops before I made some adjustments to powering on/off.

    I run all of the monitors/amps/speakers to a powerstrip that plugs in to a power conditioner.  All of my audio devices plug in to the power conditioner and each audio device is on by default.  I turn on the amp/speakers first and then the power conditioner after a moments delay.  Powering off the amp/speakers first then the power conditioner after a brief delay does not cause any pops which as you know can damage gear.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 16:43:09 (permalink)
    thanks, keebo, that might work.  I don't have a power conditioner, but I have one on order already

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 17:16:25 (permalink)
    You are welcome.

    I know what you mean about the pops or thuds being louder sometimes more than others and it frustrated me to no end.

    Since you already a conditioner on its way I think it will be less expensive/less time consuming than buying/building a circuit.

    Good luck.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 17:51:11 (permalink)
    I was already hoping that a conditioner would help stop that, that's why I ordered one.  just the low end rack mount furman.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 18:20:36 (permalink)
    Most devices don't mind at all being powered on and off through an external switch. There may be some designs where the internal power switch also controls e.g. a soft start circuit. I haven't seen anything like that in a long time.
    It is simply a myth that it is better to leave electrical devices powered on. The opposite is true: the devices will age must faster if you leave them on. And, it is a waste of energy.

    It is true that incandescent light bulbs suffer when you turn them on because the cold filement has a lower resistance than the hot one, i.e. it is drawing a high current during the warm-up phase. Thus, if you want to install low voltage halogen lighting, I would recommend using an electronic transformer with build-in soft start.
    Today, all CFLs have electronic transformers. They also don't mind at all being turned on of off. 

    There are cases where the order may matter. For example, if your audio interface produces an glitch when you turn it on and your amplifier only turns on the outputs after a few seconds to protect the speakers from its own glitch, then it would be smart to turn on both devices at the same time (rather than turning on the amplifier before the audio interface) so that the glitch form the interface would not matter.

    For some cases, a master/slave power strip is a neat thing. My UPS has slave outputs. When I turn on my computer, the UPS also enables power on additional outlets that are not backed up by the battery. I use those outputs for devices that need more power, e.g. my monitors and the printer. When I am done, I turn off the UPS completely. Anything that has power is potentially a fire hazard.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 20:04:18 (permalink)
    I don't get a pop from mine, and I turn them on and off with a switch all the time.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 20:11:54 (permalink)
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    I don't get a pop from mine, and I turn them on and off with a switch all the time.


    what kind of monitors do you have?  are they powered or thru an amp?

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 20:16:27 (permalink)
    I turn everything off when I'm done, but I do turn the main out of my mixer down to -inf first. I bring it back up after everything is turned on. otherwise, I do get a noticeable pop in the headphones, even if I'm not wearing them.
    My power amp for the passive monitors(still in Denver) has a soft on, so I don't have to worry about that.
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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 22:08:28 (permalink)
    I don't turn the mixer on until the speakers are on, tho.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 22:41:45 (permalink)
    Hmm. So the pop is coming from the integrated amps when they engage?
    It will be interesting to see what the conditioner does.
    At least you do not listen at high levels, so the pop, while annoying, may not be enough to cause any damage.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/19 23:35:00 (permalink)
    I found this weird computer power conditioner that has 6 switches on it. Each plug on the back is controlled by a switch. They are marked Computer,printer , monitor etc.
    It bad to turn stuff off in the wrong order, I always turn my power amp off first.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 08:23:35 (permalink)
    Bob - yes, the pops come from the amps in the speakers.  they've always done that ever since I have had them.

    I'll let you know what happens when I get the power conditioner.  but it may be a couple of weeks, something in my order is on backorder and I told my sweetwater rep to hold all of it until the backorder comes in.  it's due in this week.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 08:32:57 (permalink)
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    I found this weird computer power conditioner that has 6 switches on it. Each plug on the back is controlled by a switch. They are marked Computer,printer , monitor etc.
    It bad to turn stuff off in the wrong order, I always turn my power amp off first.


    i have almost the same identical one..i use it for my speakers,a small desk lamp and a few other misc. things

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 09:29:34 (permalink)
    Yeah, I don't care for the pop either, I always expect to see a piece of the cone fly past my face when it happens. One thing I learned is to power up my computer (laptop) on battery power and then hit the power strip on switch after we are booted up, and there is no popping.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 12:34:04 (permalink)
    The amplifier or the powered monitors should be the last component you turn on (if it is not possible to turn them all on at the same time). 
    If your amp is already on and your audio interface or mixer or phantom power causes a pop, you will hear it, and that is a least annoying.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 12:44:26 (permalink)
    On
    1- Computer and interface
    2- Mixer
    3-Power amp- Speaker system

    Off
    Reverse sequence  3  2   1

    This also applies to live sound. Always turn on you mixer before you power up speaker system.
    I would be surprised if those monitors do not have soft power on or some sort of protection.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 12:56:44 (permalink)
    On
    1- Computer and interface
    2- Mixer
    3-Power amp- Speaker system
     
    Off Reverse sequence 3 2 1
     
    This also applies to live sound. Always turn on you mixer before you power up speaker system.

     
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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 13:30:28 (permalink)
    How about if you like the sound of the "pop"?

    It's not like it hurts anything... and it might bring pleasure.


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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 18:19:10 (permalink)
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    How about if you like the sound of the "pop"?

    It's not like it hurts anything... and it might bring pleasure.

    Well by all means............Pop away!



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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 18:51:46 (permalink)
    The pop is only part of the trio --- If you start hearing Snap and then Crackle before the pop, that's when you start to worry  - Best to power up and down as Johnny described to avoid the Snap and Crackle!



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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 19:44:25 (permalink)
    I power up the speakers last.  that doesn't stop or even affect how loud the pop is.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 20:41:45 (permalink)
    Hmmm  Wonder if its a Behringer Design Flaw. I power mine up last ON-First OFF when using them to eliminate that and everything is ran through power conditioners. Any other poewr on/off config slams em.


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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 21:20:51 (permalink)
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    Hmmm  Wonder if its a Behringer Design Flaw. I power mine up last ON-First OFF when using them to eliminate that and everything is ran through power conditioners. Any other poewr on/off config slams em.


    well, but I don't have a power conditioner yet, so maybe that will help.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 22:18:17 (permalink)
    Beagle,

    So, I was curious, and I downloaded the manual for the Truth B2031.
    The manual says:

    The TRUTH should be the last device in the signal chain to be switched on and the first to be
    switched off.


    Be sure to switch the TRUTH off with switch (5) during longer pauses.

    I am extremely surprised that your speakers pop given that they even have electronic limiting and auto standby.
    I would try the following: Disconnect the monitors from any signal source and switch the the standby mode to 'auto'. Then, turn them on using the power swtich of the speakers (5). Do they pop? If not, turn them off again and switch the mode to 'on'. Then, turn them on again. Do they pop?

    I don't think that a power conditioner would help here.

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    Re:Powering on/off my Studio Monitors 2011/03/20 22:30:52 (permalink)
    Wilko  - thanks
    I don't like the AUTO switch at all.  They don't always sense the current when I start playing something, so they stay in "standby"

    they don't pop in that auto mode, but they don't come on when they should either, so I don't like using AUTO.

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