bapu


Earthquakes are prevalent in California.

My ex-wife and I lived in a house for 9 years that was 3 stories. The bottom story was literally built into a solid rock hill. The builder said they had to dynamite the rock to get the groud level area they needed.

In that last big one, the house got one minor crack in the stucco outside and a tiny figurine fell on it's side.

HEY STUPID FACE! - 


Can you not read?!!!


We are having a conversation here about TORNADOES ... NOT EARTHQUAKES!!! 

Please pay attention. No one cares about your minor crack in your ass and whatever the hell you're doing with figures during earthquakes!

We're talking about TORNAAAAAAADOES!!!!!

Mooch4056

bapu


Earthquakes are prevalent in California.

My ex-wife and I lived in a house for 9 years that was 3 stories. The bottom story was literally built into a solid rock hill. The builder said they had to dynamite the rock to get the groud level area they needed.

In that last big one, the house got one minor crack in the stucco outside and a tiny figurine fell on it's side.

HEY STUPID FACE! - 


Can you not read?!!!


We are having a conversation here about TORNADOES ... NOT EARTHQUAKES!!! 

Please pay attention. No one cares about your minor crack in your ass and whatever the hell you're doing with figures during earthquakes!

We're talking about TORNAAAAAAADOES!!!!!

Hey STUPID FACE Mr. Choobs my little buddy,


If you indeed would take the time to read the whole thread you would see that not only were there discussions about TORONADOS tornadoes,  but there was a post about  making a concrete dome house (with the bulk underground), like this post HERE. 


So you see my little Italian Stallion; I was responding in kind about a house that I lived in that was built into the side a solid rock hill (with a a bulk of the foundation underground) and the relative strength of that in a major earthquake (from an act of mother nature, just like a tornado).


I know, I know.... 


WHO CARES!?






PS. Craigb lives in the Pacific Northwest where I doubt there are known Toranados. WHAT!?


PSS. I had agreat time at your place. Let's do it again, soon.

craigb

bapu


PS. Craigb lives in the Pacific Northwest where I doubt there are known Toranados. WHAT!? 

Ah, not true Mr. Man of Many Am Notes!  See the link below.  I used to live in Vancouver (which is right across the Columbia River from Portland) and the house I bought for my Mom was in Gresham - in fact, she still lives in Gresham.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Vancouver_tornado
 
And here's the area where I now live - close to Vancouver:
 
http://www.homefacts.com/tornadoes/Washington/Clark-County/Camas.html
 
Even when I lived in Irvine California, we had the occasional twister.
 
http://www.homefacts.com/tornadoes/California/Orange-County/Irvine.html
 
Of course, NONE of these even come close to comparing to what so many states have had to endure this year, but they're still pretty scary and can be devastating for those that lost their homes (I've was close enough to one to hear the "train engine" sound at high volume as a "small" tornado went tearing down the street).  I even have a picture from the newspaper saved that shows a funnel coming down right over an apartment complex I lived in!
 
(Heck, even Thousand Oaks had an F2 in 1983!)

My mistake.


Mooch, I take back EVERYTHING I said.

PSS. I had agreat time at your place. Let's do it again, soon.

+1

 My thoughts and prayers go out for the victims of this tragic event.

About 3 weeks ago and EF4 tornado more or less curved around and missed my home by 1/2 a mile. I was very lucky. Others were not.

I do want to say to everyone and I hope you listen to this, because a tornado can hit anywhere, doesn't matter if you have mountains or one hasn't been there in 50 years or whatever.

Please listen to me on this, it might save your life.

"When a tornado warning is issued SEEK COVER RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!, Simple enough".  

The thing is a Tornado can drop Vertical right down on you, with none of that stuff they show in the movies happening. You know the train sounding stuff.  The winds can be calm but the upper atomosphere could drop a tornado down on you without warning once a tornado warning has been issued.

 What is going on in the upper atmosphere might not always be apparent on the land that you live on, so please, take cover when a
TORNADO WARNING is issued.

M@ B

spacey


If I were visiting here from another planet....

and I saw the destruction and I talked with earthlings and
found out that tornados were not rare I would be questioning
the intelligence of the lifeform.
"Why does your conventional way of building shelters not shelter you?"

Seems like a logical question. I'm not an engineer but I know I could
design better.
The problem I've seen is when one tries to design better it will be classified
"custom" and then finding financial backing to build is the problem. Banks
don't like "custom".
Weird. I'm not an alien, I'm from here and it sure looks stupid to me and I don't
feel safe in my shelter.

best wishes to the people affected by the storm.

the alien asking that question would have to realize that tornado proof houses would be like fortresses and would cost a lot of money to build. japanese engineers design their structures to be earthquake resistant. i don't know how they held up to the quake, because the ensuing sunami kind of overshadowed the earthquake its self, even though it was a massive one.

The alien would probably be smart enough to know that the structure doesn't have to be the size of the complete
shelter.
 
Many years ago in conversation with a friend that not unlike me enjoyed trying to invent stuff.
He made the statement that the real trick wasn't in how much the device or idea would be worth but
to have it become mandatory. If the government makes it mandatory....such as a safety device for a vehicle.
That way the choice of the consumer is eliminated from the process. They will buy it with no choice because
no vehicles will be allowed to be sold without it.
 
So the alien learns that people have a choice but it's limited to what they are offered.
So do they have a choice between a home with a swimming pool and four car garage or one without those
and a saferoom instead?
If not, why not?
Why must their government make laws for the safety of the people? You mean giving a choice of paying
for and using a safety device they would choose not to?
If homes were offered with a safe room rather than a swimming pool or a big garage would they really
choose it?
I can imagine what the alien would think and I'll keep that to myself.
 
I sure wish home design was different for us. I get sick thinking of all the people hurt when these storms
hit and mad because it seems we just move along without any attention to prevention/protection.
 
 

spacey

M@ B

spacey


If I were visiting here from another planet....

and I saw the destruction and I talked with earthlings and
found out that tornados were not rare I would be questioning
the intelligence of the lifeform.
"Why does your conventional way of building shelters not shelter you?"

Seems like a logical question. I'm not an engineer but I know I could
design better.
The problem I've seen is when one tries to design better it will be classified
"custom" and then finding financial backing to build is the problem. Banks
don't like "custom".
Weird. I'm not an alien, I'm from here and it sure looks stupid to me and I don't
feel safe in my shelter.

best wishes to the people affected by the storm.

the alien asking that question would have to realize that tornado proof houses would be like fortresses and would cost a lot of money to build. japanese engineers design their structures to be earthquake resistant. i don't know how they held up to the quake, because the ensuing sunami kind of overshadowed the earthquake its self, even though it was a massive one.

The alien would probably be smart enough to know that the structure doesn't have to be the size of the complete
shelter.
 
Many years ago in conversation with a friend that not unlike me enjoyed trying to invent stuff.
He made the statement that the real trick wasn't in how much the device or idea would be worth but
to have it become mandatory. If the government makes it mandatory....such as a safety device for a vehicle.
That way the choice of the consumer is eliminated from the process. They will buy it with no choice because
no vehicles will be allowed to be sold without it.
 
So the alien learns that people have a choice but it's limited to what they are offered.
So do they have a choice between a home with a swimming pool and four car garage or one without those
and a saferoom instead?
If not, why not?
Why must their government make laws for the safety of the people? You mean giving a choice of paying
for and using a safety device they would choose not to?
If homes were offered with a safe room rather than a swimming pool or a big garage would they really
choose it?
I can imagine what the alien would think and I'll keep that to myself.
 
I sure wish home design was different for us. I get sick thinking of all the people hurt when these storms
hit and mad because it seems we just move along without any attention to prevention/protection.
 
 

i can understand your point, especially from an inventor/patent holder's point of view. and of course surviving a catastrophy is is always precident to material things, but what about considerations for after the storm blows over? you'll have a safe room where the house was. then what?
i think a more realistic question would be why do people rebuild in regions that are prone to regularly recurring natural disasters?

there is not easy answer to the question of natural disaster survival. many people can't afford the homes they are living in now, that's basically all i'm saying about building safe rooms, etc.
but from a survival standpoint, how many times does one have to narrowly survive a natural disaster before they conclude that moving to "higher ground" might be wiser than rebuilding with or without a safe room?

i do not mean to sound unsympathetic to the situation, because i'm not. but i think it's a valid question. there is no easy answer.

edit:
you're right that i did not read the entire htread, and i apologize for that, but i just did.
had i read it initially, i could have just replied "+1" to a couple of posts.

what you are suggesting with a safe room seems to be a modern day storm cellar.
i imagine they could and and would be more effective, but the delemma still remains about what to do when you emerge from the shelter to find utter destruction? and in certain (many) cases, that being just another instance of what has happened many times before and could realistically be expected to happen again. i'm not only just talking about wind damage, i'm referring to areas that are prone to regularly recurring disasters; floods, forest fires, earthquakes and hurricanes, etc. there is not much you can do to realistically safeguard your house from these things. i am a bit surprised when i hear stories about people who have rebuilt in the same place numerous times in their lifetime.

The National Geographic Channel is airing a show about the tornado swarm.  It shows some storm chasers and home video during and after the tornadoes.  It's pretty scary. 

I imagine they're working on a separate show for Joplin. 

http://channel.nationalge.../Overview#tab-Photos/0