Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 11:58:56 (permalink)
I'm thinking that is likely the case - that the mixer is not working correctly.

can you plug your headphones or speakers directly into the maudio ap192's outputs?  that's not ideal because it really needs a headphone amplifier, but you should be able to hear a LITTLE bit if you play something.

if you can hear something then I would be pretty certain that the mixer is defective.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 13:04:04 (permalink)
Hello Beagle,

Thanks once again for the wonderful help that you are rendering to me.

Yes I have already tried plugging my headphone directly to the M-Audio Audiophile 192 but it didn't work and that was my main reason of going in for the mixer. The alternative could have been using a Headphone Amp but that will limit my usage of the sound card.  And somewhere at the M-Audio website, I read that the Audiophile 192 is not made for such a connection. 

I guess I have to pack and return the Mackie Mixer for a replacement. Or do you have any other idea...? It's really frustrating...!!

Thanks again in advance.
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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 13:06:36 (permalink)
if you are plugging the headphones into the m-audio and you see the meters move on the m-audio software but you can't hear anything then the problem might be with the m-audio soundcard instead of the mixer.

I would advise plugging up some speakers to the m-audio first before taking the mixer back.  even computer speakers will work - you just have to have an adapter from 1/8" to 1/4".  but they need to be powered speakers (computer speakers ARE powered).

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 13:30:21 (permalink)
i use the master outs of my 192 card, into my hafler power amp, driving my monitors.

i use the MONITOR outs, to send a signal to my headphone amp, which happens to be my nicer Yamaha Natural sound amplifier.

if i'm recording multiple tracks and need multiple headphone feeds, i use a ROLLS headphone amp, fed from the monitor outputs left/right, to a Y cord for stereo feed to the headphone amp, since it only has a single stereo input

for headphone mixes that are DIFFERENT than my working song mixes, i simply set up a temporary buss for headphone mixes only, and setup up sends on all my tracks that want to be fed to the headphones, so i can tweak each track to suit the headphone mix, and not worry about messing with the actual mix levels.



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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 13:53:38 (permalink)

Beagle,
I tried the PC Speakers but still no luck. No sound from the speakers either.


batsbrew,
I do not have any other board, box or system apart from my Headphone and the Mackie 802 Mixer and of course the Audiophile 190 sound card so any other connection won't be helpful in my present situation.

So what else please...?

Thanks again in advance.
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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 14:40:05 (permalink)
i'm simply saying, there are 2 sets of ANAOLOG inputs...

and 2 sets of ANALOG outputs to the card.

both can be easily tested.


if they work, the problem is with the mixer.

if they don't work, the problem is:

A. your internal software setup
B. your 'virtual' routing in the sound card software
C. bad soundcard OR bad soundcard BREAKOUT CABLES (VERY UNLIKELY)


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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 14:51:50 (permalink)
Hello batsbrew,

Thanks so much for your help.

PLEASE how can I TEST the INPUT and OUT of the Audiophile 192 sound card to see whether they working or not...?

Thanks again in advance.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 17:22:34 (permalink)
you should test BOTH outputs.  that's part of what I was trying to say earlier in the thread.  there is the MONITOR MIX outputs and the MAIN OUTPUTS.  try both sets of outputs with speakers connected directly to them, using windows media player, and visually checking the meters on the m-audio software to make sure they are moving.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 18:51:29 (permalink)
yes, what beagle said.
you have to have an amplifier for the speakers.

these are not powered outputs, they're only line level.

use rca or TRS cables with 1/4" adapters into/out of an amp and speaker set.

you can use a cd player or cassette player output to test the inputs, get a signal going, route it thru the soundcard, into sonar, back out, voila.


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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/06/30 19:21:34 (permalink)
batsbrew


yes, what beagle said.
you have to have an amplifier for the speakers.

these are not powered outputs, they're only line level.

use rca or TRS cables with 1/4" adapters into/out of an amp and speaker set.

you can use a cd player or cassette player output to test the inputs, get a signal going, route it thru the soundcard, into sonar, back out, voila.


or computer speakers that you plug into the wall outlet.  computer speakers that have a wall-wart are also powered and those will work.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 01:30:36 (permalink)
The trouble is I guess you might not understand some of what everybody is saying, And the repeated advice is your need to test things one item at a time. Each piece of equipment needs to be understood. There are a lot of variable to the signal path.

For a small mixer it is actually very complicated and I can see all sorts of wrong ways to hook it up.
But first before you send it back... lets do a simple test.:
 Plug in a mike (or guitar ) , turn up the gain, see the meters move, listen with the headphones.
DON"T try and plug cables into the insert jack on channels 1-2. this is probably what you did. I've seen this 100 times  before. The writing is UNDER the jacks. So the top 1/4" jack on 1 and 2 is a input for a line level instrument.
The one below it is an insert for direct output/input to a compressor etc.
MY guess is there is nothing wrong with the mixer and the meters will move and you will hear sound from the headphone output.
Put all controls at 12 o clock for starters, including the input gain, headphones and main mix. I notice there is no peak light per channel so looks like you depress the solo button and the main meter will monitor the input gain.
Make sure the Mute 3/4 button is not pressed either.
Select the "main Mix" for the headphones in the Control room source box.
Yell into the mike and turn the input gain up until the meter lights in the top end of the green.
You should hear yourself in the headphones.

Don't forget to turn off SOLO when finished , the Rude light should be off for normal operation. 

Ok see, nothing wrong with the mixer, now lets hook up the interface. You will need 4 x 1/4" patch cables.
There are a few ways to do this and I'll pick one way for now, you can change this latter once you understand things better.

You cute little mixer has a few ways to send the signal out. It's almost a 4 buss mixer. To bad it only has 1 Aux.
So to avoid a feedback loop you need to direct your sound to 2 separate places, Your interface so you can record, and your monitors so you can listen. The trick is to be able to also monitor what you are trying to record without it having to loop through the computer and back which can result in latency. 
Therefore the control room outputs and routing are needed. Use the Control room ( CR)  outputs to send your monitoring to your power amplifier or powered speakers.
This is one thing I can't test but my guess is the buttons in the control room box will allow you to make a custom headphone / monitor mix. If this is true then it's a simple matter of depressing the button of what you wish to hear. Do not depress the Control room "Assign to main mix" button or you will get a feedback loop.
For feeding your M audio to Sonar There are 2 other output options , the main and the alt 3/4.
For recording use the main outputs to the M audio Interface inputs.

Now to hear the computers output I would use the M audio's output 1/2 and plug them into channel 7/8.  But to avoid it looping back to main out depress the MUTE 3/4. for that channel strip.  Now it will be sent to the control room / headphones if you press the 3/4 button in the control room box.
The M audio's Monitor outputs could be used but they are more for direct hook up to a set of powered speakers or amp/speaker combo.
Take Beagles advice and play a song in media player see if the M audio meters move and it should now be coming out your speakers and headphones.

Open Sonar, arm an audio track and select the M audio inputs 1 or 2 for recording.
A standard set up would be to pan each channel at the mixer. I use  left for guitar and Bass, and right for my mike.  With the mixer you could leave a few things plugged in all the time. Just remember to turn it off if not used.
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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 03:15:14 (permalink)
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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 13:37:19 (permalink)

Hello Cactus Music,

Thanks so much for the step by step help.

You are right I am totally LOST now and don't really know what to do because I have tried every tip that was given but still no success. Connecting the two things shouldn't be so difficult I guess but I have lost my orientation and it's very possible that I am really doing something wrong now.

So let me tell you what I have:
1. Mackie 802-VLZ3
2. M-Audio Delta Audiophile 192
3. A Condense Microphone with a 1/4" plug at the other end
4. A Headphone with a Stereo 1/4" Adapter plug
5. 8 1/4" plug Cables

Attached is an image of the two things I have been trying to connect all these days to no success for close look to enable you to guide me how to connect from the Audiophile 192 to the Mackie 802 e.g. which cable comes from which jack of the Audiophile 192 to which jack of the Mackie 802. Ok it may sound stupid but at the moment I feel real stupid.

Here are the two boards:
 

Thanks so much in advance.


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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 14:02:01 (permalink)
on the soundcard you have labeled:  MONITOR INPUT 1 & MONITOR INPUT 2?

those should be outputs according to the manual.

did you test both outputs of the soundcard using computer speakers like I mentioned?

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 14:09:39 (permalink)

Beagle,

Of course I tried it but did not heard anything. That was the same connections I did to the Mackie TAPE L & R from the very beginning.

Thanks again in advance.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/01 16:37:58 (permalink)
If your lost why are you not following my step by step plan?

You have the wrong cable for the Condenser mike. Condenser mikes use Phantom Power and to achieve that you need a standard XLR mike cable.
Don't use the tape inputs, there is no volume control so a channel strip is a better option.

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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/03 08:50:00 (permalink)

Beagle,

Cactus Music,

Thanks so much for your wonderful help you are people are rendering to me.

I am trying to organize myself more to continue with the testing. I have also ordered some more exact cables e.g. XLR mike cables etc.

So I shall get back to you as soon as possible with the updates.

BUT ALL THE SAME, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ARE STILL WELCOME...!!

Thanks once again.

 
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Re:Newbie Needs Help: Delta Audiophile 192 to Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer Setup 2011/07/05 11:37:05 (permalink)
CACTUS MUSIC,

YOU ARE MY HERO...!!

So hearing through my Headphone for the first time since some three weeks of frustration.... I couldn't believe myself for the first time. But now it works...!!

1. I now have the correct XLR mike cables and tried as you instructed but no reaction from the mixer. Maybe I misunderstood something wrong again.

2. So I went ahead and hooked the M-Audio Audiophile 192 MAIN OUTPUT 1/2 (L & R) with 1/4 cables to the LINE IN 7-8 on the Mackie 802 mixer and pressed down in the CONTROL ROOM -- MAIN MIX and the ALT 3-4 buttons and then played a sound from the Windows Media Player; bum bum there I could head every bit of what was being played. I opened up Sonar and there I could also head every thing from the headphone.

So one thing is now clear, both the M-Audio Audiophile 192 and Mackie 802-VLZ3 are in order. I only need a bit of time to study how to work with them.

BEAGLE
CACTUS MUSIC

I just don't know how I can thank you all for the immense efforts in helping me to learn how both system work. A BIG THANKS TO YOU ALL....!!

I am very sure that I shall be back.

Any other tips and ideas is still highly welcome.

Thanks you all again in advance.

SLooper.


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