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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 09:49:46 (permalink)
I see this will end up in the CH as well.... 

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 09:56:16 (permalink)
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one survey.  pretty insignificant.  it was probably written by a mac user.  and judging by the other daws that are missing, I'd say sonar users are in pretty good company.  garageband is not a professional tool and cubase, reaper and sonar are three of the most popular daws in the world.




...yes, DEFINETELY.... 

...only a Mac user would throw Garageband in a context like that.... leaving instead other true DAWs out...

...silly, poor (and fake...) survey.............. it doesn't deserve the waste of time it takes...   I think I'm leaving this thread...................  
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 09:56:22 (permalink)
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I see this will end up in the CH as well.... 

sure it will, how can you say things like that Sonar is not on the list...
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 10:10:05 (permalink)
The survey is trying to find out info from "musicians and composers", not producers or engineers.
The survey includes only "bedroom grade" DAW software, leaving out many, if not most, studio grade DAW titles.


Conclusion, Sonar is considered a pro-studio grade DAW.


So what's the problem?

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 10:16:23 (permalink)
I'll tell you what, I have never even heard of the Future Of Music Coalition. When you consider that their about page says they're 11 years old, they don't seem to be making much of a splash.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 10:26:55 (permalink)
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You know what, dickhead, you're not a positive contributor ever...

well, at least I have a head, because you lost it.



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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 10:28:48 (permalink)


It also is a survey about revenue accrued through one's music....

Has nothing to do with DAWs, really....
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 10:46:41 (permalink)
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I'll tell you what, I have never even heard of the Future Of Music Coalition.

well, you haven't heard about many things as we already know so that proves nothing does't it?

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 11:09:20 (permalink)
Future of Music Coalition website

Wikipedia article

Future of Music Policy Summit, a convention in Washington DC on October 3rd and 4th at Georgetown University. It will be streamed to a live webcast.
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 11:38:12 (permalink)
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Don't write about a subject you know nothing about. I have had a lot of time with both an M16 and an AK47 in combat. I doubt you have.
An especially ugly post.

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Yep. It's ignorance people like this that keep making it harder and harder for people with no mental issues to legally own a gun.


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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 11:44:42 (permalink)
I don't think I've ever met anyone with no mental issues who was especially eager to own a gun. But this is now sliding a loooooong way off topic.
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 12:39:45 (permalink)
How's this.  Garageband is the AK47 of the DAW world.  Cheap and mass produced so that apple or the old communist world can drop them w/ their computers or out of helicopters all over the 3rd world.  Simple and effective and built to low tolerance so they will work in the sand and mud, if your mac can take it.

SONAR and the M16, a high tech and finely tuned tool.  The m16, like X1, suffered when introduced from teething problems - a not infrequent situation w/ high end technology.  The m16 (which has been replaced by a shorter m4 carbine) suffered when introduced since the Air Force (who first ordered it) didn't think that chroming the barrel was necessary as specified by the original designer, Stoner.  Once the kinks got worked out, it became an excellent assult rifle.  There is a reason it and the cartridge has been adopted by the more highly educated west, just as the AK in the 3rd world.  FYI, there is a youtube video of an african soldier giving his AK to a chimp and the chimp shooting up the camp.  It is so easy that a monkey can do it.

Many pros think of garageband, ACid etc. the same way, prefering their high end DAWs.  But the AK is the most produced assult rifle in the world and has killed more people than the m16 or any other modern gun.  I suppose that is an endorsement of a sorts.  Both work, since in the end it is the song that matters.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 12:46:28 (permalink)
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How's this.  Garageband is the AK47 of the DAW world.  Cheap and mass produced so that apple or the old communist world can drop them w/ their computers or out of helicopters all over the 3rd world.  Simple and effective and built to low tolerance so they will work in the sand and mud, if your mac can take it.

SONAR and the M16, a high tech and finely tuned tool.  The m16, like X1, suffered when introduced from teething problems - a not infrequent situation w/ high end technology.  The m16 (which has been replaced by a shorter m4 carbine) suffered when introduced since the Air Force (who first ordered it) didn't think that chroming the barrel was necessary as specified by the original designer, Stoner.  Once the kinks got worked out, it became an excellent assult rifle.  There is a reason it and the cartridge has been adopted by the more highly educated west, just as the AK in the 3rd world.  FYI, there is a youtube video of an african soldier giving his AK to a chimp and the chimp shooting up the camp.  It is so easy that a monkey can do it.

Many pros think of garageband, ACid etc. the same way, prefering their high end DAWs.  But the AK is the most produced assult rifle in the world and has killed more people than the m16 or any other modern gun.  I suppose that is an endorsement of a sorts.  Both work, since in the end it is the song that matters.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 13:03:42 (permalink)
This really is a staggeringly unpleasant analogy. What next? Which DAW is the uncaught serial rapist of the audio world? Which one is the concentration camp of the audio world? You know, since we're being arseholes, let's go the whole hog.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 14:09:51 (permalink)
Sorry to offend your sensibilities John T.  I would have used a car analog, but those kill more people in the west than guns (at least since WWII), and would have offended someone, no doubt.  But at least I was comparing a like to like, technology to a different kind of technology.  No doubt some sensitive souls are offended by your language, and vegans upset by your reference to the entire hog.

To get back to on topic and keep the focus on DAWs, not guns, I have always found that SONAR uses who need afirmation that their tool of choice is accepted and professional is putting the cart before the donkey (apologies to any Republicans).  I still use Project 5 to start many songs, and it is as dead ...  I mean dormant ... as a doorknob.  It makes me no nevermind what others are using or think.  A DAW is only a tool, a means to an end.  If it works for me but not for thee, no skin off my teeth.

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there have been enough questions raised about the methodologies and, one might even say, agenda behind this survey.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 14:13:24 (permalink)
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To get back to on topic and keep the focus on DAWs, not guns,

how about Guns N' Roses ? 

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 14:17:14 (permalink)
i mean it threw a red flag up for me when i noticed the op who started this thread only has 2 lifetime posts

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 14:20:48 (permalink)
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i mean it threw a red flag up for me when i noticed the op who started this thread only has 2 lifetime posts

yeah, it could be jealous Pro Tools user... 

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 17:53:46 (permalink)
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John






Don't write about a subject you know nothing about. I have had a lot of time with both an M16 and an AK47 in combat. I doubt you have.

An especially ugly post.


Randy B.


How is it ugly? Its advising the young man to not repeat myths. Further its inappropriate for a music forum. What maybe you are not taking into consideration is that a few of us do know about this subject and resent anyone using it casually to make a point that is not true.  Something the poster does all the time.
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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 18:45:25 (permalink)
Any weapon based analogy is not useful when discussing DAWs...

Besides...the survey had nothing to do with DAWs but was discussing revenue streams...

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 18:51:03 (permalink)
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Any weapon based analogy is not useful when discussing DAWs...

Besides...the survey had nothing to do with DAWs but was discussing revenue streams...


Both good points.

But getting back to the survey does anyone see a really good reason for it with such a limited selection of DAWs?


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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 20:31:56 (permalink)

It seems to me that it was a very effective revealing survey.






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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 20:44:44 (permalink)
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Don't write about a subject you know nothing about. I have had a lot of time with both an M16 and an AK47 in combat. I doubt you have.
An especially ugly post.

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How is it ugly? Its advising the young man to not repeat myths. Further its inappropriate for a music forum. What maybe you are not taking into consideration is that a few of us do know about this subject and resent anyone using it casually to make a point that is not true.  Something the poster does all the time.
What are you talking about "Something the poster does all the time."? The guy has posted twice in 7 years?????

Posting articles from accredited people who have been in the music business for decades, and posting a link to a non profit web site with national notoriety is not ok in your eyes, but comparing a digital audio workstation to something that kills people is? You have very serious issues.



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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 20:52:05 (permalink)
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John

Don't write about a subject you know nothing about. I have had a lot of time with both an M16 and an AK47 in combat. I doubt you have.
An especially ugly post.

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How is it ugly? Its advising the young man to not repeat myths. Further its inappropriate for a music forum. What maybe you are not taking into consideration is that a few of us do know about this subject and resent anyone using it casually to make a point that is not true.  Something the poster does all the time.
What are you talking about "Something the poster does all the time."? The guy has posted twice in 7 years?????

Posting articles from accredited people who have been in the music business for decades, and posting a link to a non profit web site with national notoriety is not ok in your eyes, but comparing a digital audio workstation to something that kills people is? You have very serious issues.




How about 256 and the poster I am referring to is Kc2ine.

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Re:No Sonar on Future of Music Coalition survey 2011/09/09 21:23:40 (permalink)
Well, I like SONAR a lot! :)

It should have been in the survey, IMO. :)


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