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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/15 15:03:44
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Beagle I would kind of like to have Alloy - I've looked at it a couple of times, but just can't seem to pull the trigger on it either. I bought Alloy specifically for that song I mix/mastered for Janet. I used it on the piano. I really liked what it did for that. It was not dramatic but all the literature says an effects should not be dramatic.
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Beagle
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/15 16:30:43
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strinkingly - cool, thanks bapu - cool, thanks
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/15 18:45:38
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bitflipper The CPU hit is substantial. Ozone isn't really practical as a track effect, although people have used it that way. That's why they came out with Alloy, to provide Ozone-like features but more suitable for tracks. I do have projects with as many as 3 instances of Ozone, but all the heavyweight soft synths have to be frozen for that to work on my aged system. The CPU load with the new intelligent algorithm is much higher than with the legacy modes. I'm hearing from other users that they're sticking with the old algorithms until iZotope does some optimization. Projects that run fine on my quad-core with O4 are farting and skipping like crazy with the O5 demo I have running. What a mess.
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/15 20:23:50
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Thanks for the info Beagle, I plan to try and hold onto both versions then,especially since there appears to be problems with O5. I have quad core Q8300. A zippy cpu but not quite sandy bridge and I suspect it might develop gas too..lol.
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Beagle
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 08:20:41
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I have a sandy bridge, and I downloaded the O5 demo but I really have not had time to play with it. I probably should have waited until I had time to play with it before I d/l it, but really...when would that be???
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DeeringAmps
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 09:48:37
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Time, my problem too Beagle, I've downloaded but not installed. That's why I keep asking questions. Dave (bitflipper) is not complaining about performance problems, and I think somewhere mentioned his "antiquated" system. Why would jamesyoyo be having problems?
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 09:53:53
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actually I thought I did read from bitflipper that O5 was a harder CPU hit than its predecessors? it might not be in this thread, there are 2 or 3 O5 threads going on.
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DeeringAmps
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 09:55:27
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He definitely said there is a big CPU hit, but didn't complain about "farting" or say "what a mess".
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Starise
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 10:27:03
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I probably would not hear it. I have my onboard sounds turned off......
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 11:26:12
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DeeringAmps He definitely said there is a big CPU hit, but didn't complain about "farting" or say "what a mess". LOL! well, I guess we need to put in a feature request for some GAS-X!
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/16 18:12:33
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That's why we need faster CPU's to run more instances of the software. I still haven't been able to max out my i7 yet. I am obviously not trying hard enough.
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bitflipper
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/17 00:42:14
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If you need tips on bringing your i7 to its knees, I can help.
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/17 11:38:11
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I'm just not that great with multi parts. Most times, 3-4 melodic instruments is max I can put in a song, and I'm not that great with laying either. Of course, I do on occasion use bounce. It seems to keep Sonar less buggy, even when I should have plenty of CPU left.
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Philip
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/18 01:19:04
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Yea I'm struggling with the decision as per you guys. Alloy doesn't do it for me (though I possess it); a similar swiss army knife already exists; its called Sonar. I haven't used Alloy since about 10 songs ago. What does Alloy have that Sonar does not have? Oh, Alloy has a *neat harmonic exciter* with visuals to excite the senses, and it shows off even and odd harmonics ... hahahah! (Like my ears can't decide the benefits of either ... LOL). The presets are so-so. Nectar, OTOH, is almost as sweet as Voxformer (for thrice the price). For some psychotic reason, I've *gravitated* toward the UAD *Fairchild* compressor (for vocs); while UAD (the dongle-loid-PCIe company) has me dreaming *platinum status* for everyone ... its difficult to not get sucker'd into various piles of sh.. Last year I almost drowned in the Waves hype, with so many producer-testimonials, to realize their obsolete 32-bit limitations .... and their crippling effect upon Sonar (per cw tech support). At least Izotope is 64 bit, native, dongle-less, and affordable. I may be wrong, but the Izotope stuff 'currently' does not sound as *lush* to my ears as the analog stuff ... like ... the tube and tape gimmicks that UAD is touting.
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/19 15:32:49
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After a great deal of investigation and agonizing over whether to buy the Ozone 5 upgrade or switch to FabFilter Pro-L, I have decided to go a third route and simply stick with Ozone 4. I had difficulty perceiving the difference between the new IRC3 algorithm and the older IRC2. This flew in the face of prevailing online wisdom, which is that IRC3 is a "night and day" improvement. "Night and Day" (along with "like lifting a veil") is a description I've come to despise because it seems to always be applied to effects that are anything but night and day. Often, "night and day" turns out to be nothing more than expectation bias and/or flawed comparison techniques. So I did what I often do when faced with a perplexing problem: lit up an herbal thought-enhancer and turned out the lights. Sure enough, the explanation came in an epiphany: I am simply not using limiters the same way as many others; consequently, my experience is not the same. A limiter basically does nothing at all until your signal reaches (or approaches, in the case of a soft clipper) its threshold. If you set a threshold higher than all but the highest peaks (after gain is added), the audio should pass through the limiter completely untouched - except for those brief moments when the threshold is exceeded. For those short periods, the limiter distorts your signal, sometimes extremely, generating harmonic and intermodulation distortion, and possibly frequency distortion, aliasing, and smearing of the stereo image. But it all happens quickly, often so quickly that it escapes perception. Obviously, the more frequently the limiter kicks in, the greater the distortion and the more likely it will result in audible degradation. This is where differences between limiters become apparent. My problem is that I rarely exceed 2-3db of compression in a limiter. I prefer dynamic mixes and I am happy to trade average loudness for clarity and punch. I simply never push a limiter into modes that generate ugly obvious artifacts, and that's why I have such a hard time telling one limiter from another! The people who are on a constant quest for the ultimate limiter, and like to debate the subject endlessly on KVR, are really on a loudness quest. They want a LOUD mix that still sounds punchy, and favor limiters that are able to eke out some semblance of micro-dynamics despite being in continuous attenuation mode. But that's just not a requirement in my world. I offer this thought solely for those in a similar situation, who are mastering genres that don't require extreme dynamic squashing: your choice of limiter simply isn't all that important.
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dke
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/19 16:12:10
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As long as they don't raise the upgrade price I'll probably upgrade at some point, but I'm not in any hurry. There are a number of improvements to the UI and other area's of Ozone that I think makes it worth upgrading but things are tight right now and so I'll be holding off. Dan
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/19 16:58:32
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December 1, so don't be too long. I should say that's for the introdution price and not the upgrade. I'm not sure how long the upgrade price holds.
post edited by strikinglyhandsome1 - 2011/11/19 17:17:09
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:An Ozone 5 complaint.
2011/11/21 15:07:50
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Alloy $115 on KVR. Good price that.
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