paulo

Mesh


Try wrapping your PC with 6 sticks of TNT, and then run (fast).......


Wow Paulo, seems like you've tried everything....I'm lost for suggestions....maybe send a PM Brandon and see what he thinks?

I tried that too Mesh first of all with a demo version of the TNT, just to test the theory, but when I tried using the real stuff it didn't go off -  lol !;)

Yeah. Maybe buggin Brandon is worth a try - if he gets upset by being dragged into it I'll tell him that you told me it was ok ;)

No worries.....if he does get upset, just direct him to the CH and Bapu will calm him down (all threads DO lead to Bapu).
 
I also have RP-Delay & RP-Distort which both installed without a hitch, so Brandon to save the day!!

bitflipper


Paulo, have you tried running SONAR as Administrator and then executing the scan? Just in case RP-Delay is trying to do something old-school like writing to the HKeyLocalMachine hive?

I haven't, but on that PC (XP) I am and always have been the only user and therefore the system administrator so am I not running everything as administrator by default  ? I just tried anyway and when I right click on Sonar icon it doesn't give me the option to run as administrator, just the opportunity (via Run as...) to switch user accounts, but as there is only the one then I have nothing to switch it to.

bitflipper


I just checked, and RP-Delay writes its settings into HKCU, so running as Admin shouldn't be necessary.

Check for existence of the HKCU\Software\RPCX\RPDelay key, which should contain a bunch of values. This gets created when the plugin is first scanned. If it's missing or truncated, that indicates the init was not successful.

Check for the existence of the RP-Delay key in HKCU\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST\Inventory. Compare its values with one of the other plugins. Without this data, SONAR will not show the plugin in the context menus. In particular check the value of isVst (should be 0x00000001),  isBad (should be zero) and isX64 (should be 0).

Hi bitflipper - you really are the man - thank you so much for your continued help. ...


I've just done as you suggest -  HKCU\Software\RPCX\RPDelay does indeed contain a bunch of values, though I have no idea what they mean. The only line in there, there are 14 in total, that has no value is the first which looks like this...

  Name              Type                    Data

(Default)          REG_SZ               (value not set)


Looking at HKCU\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST\Inventory  I have this....


  Name              Type                    Data


(Default)          REG_SZ               (value not set)

isVst               REG_DWORD          0x00000000 (0)

touch              REG_DWORD          0x00000001 (1)


Nothing else there . Mean anything to you ? I've no idea - beyond my meagre knowledge now ! :)


UPDATE :

I just reinstalled Demo version to another location to compare the entry to the above and there are 42 lines with various values, so I guess that's the problem huh ? If they're suposed to be identical then would this info not be the same ?

bitflipper


That's kinda what RP-Distort looked like in my registry, before I deleted it. Here's what it should look like (except your install path will be different).  

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST\Inventory\c:/program files/cakewalk/vstplugins/Rarely Used/Delays/RP-Delay/RP-Delay.dll] 
"clsidPlug"="{141AC902-5270-444C-5250-2D44656C6179}" 
"clsidProps"="{141AC903-5270-444C-5250-2D44656C6179}" 
"FullName"="RP-Delay" 
"FullPath"="c:\\program files\\cakewalk\\vstplugins\\Rarely Used\\Delays\\RP-Delay\\RP-Delay.dll" 
"Vendor"="RPCX" 
"DosName"="RP-Delay" 
"PresetPath"="" 
"isBad"=dword:00000000 
"isSynth"=dword:00000000 
"isVst"=dword:00000001 
"isX64"=dword:00000000 
"isInternal"=dword:00000000 
"numInputs"=dword:00000002 
"maxUsedInputs"=dword:00000002 
"numOutputs"=dword:00000002 
"numPrograms"=dword:00000080 
"numParams"=dword:00000320 
"progsChunks"=dword:00000000 
"registerAsPlug"=dword:00000001 
"registerAsSynth"=dword:00000000 
"jBridgeLoader"=dword:00000000 
"uniqueId"=dword:5270444c 
"wantEvents"=dword:00000001 
"cxEditor"=dword:00000000 
"cyEditor"=dword:00000000 
"forceStereo"=dword:00000000 
"nrpnPassThrough"=dword:00000000 
"delayCompensation"=dword:00000001 
"registerAsTempoBasedEffect"=dword:00000001 
"generateEvents"=dword:00000000 
"isShell"=dword:00000000 
"isShellRoot"=dword:00000000 
"forceSuspendOnPlay"=dword:00000000 
"forceSuspendOnStop"=dword:00000000 
"seralizeDispatcher"=dword:00000000 
"vstVersion"=dword:00000001 
"forceMono"=dword:00000001 
"translateProgramChanges"=dword:00000000 
"bitBridgeServerId"=dword:00000000 
"addVstPrefix"=dword:00000001 
"modStats"=hex:00,6e,4c,64,98,4d,cc,01,55,dd,38,01 
"touch"=dword:00000001 


If you're feeling brave, you might even try importing the above. Just change the "FullPath"= value to reflect where you have the plugin installed. Be sure to back up your registry first, blah blah. 

Hi bitflipper,

This is where I am at now....

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST\Inventory\c:/program files/cakewalk/vstplugins/Rob Papen/RP-Delay/RP-Delay.dll]
"isVst"=dword:00000001
"touch"=dword:00000001
"clsidPlug"="{141AC902-5270-444C-5250-2D44656C6179}"
"clsidProps"="{141AC903-5270-444C-5250-2D44656C6179}"
"FullName"="RP-Delay"
"FullPath"="c:\\program files\\cakewalk\\vstplugins\\rob papen\\RP-Delay\\RP-Delay.dll"
"Vendor"="RPCX"
"DosName"="RP-Delay"
"PresetPath"=""
"isBad"=dword:00000000
"isSynth"=dword:00000000
"isX64"=dword:00000000
"isInternal"=dword:00000000
"numInputs"=dword:00000002
"maxUsedInputs"=dword:00000002
"numOutputs"=dword:00000002
"numPrograms"=dword:00000080
"numParams"=dword:00000320
"progsChunks"=dword:00000000
"registerAsPlug"=dword:00000001
"registerAsSynth"=dword:00000000
"jBridgeLoader"=dword:00000000
"uniqueId"=dword:5270444c
"wantEvents"=dword:00000001
"cxEditor"=dword:00000000
"cyEditor"=dword:00000000
"forceStereo"=dword:00000000
"nrpnPassThrough"=dword:00000000
"delayCompensation"=dword:00000001
"registerAsTempoBasedEffect"=dword:00000001
"generateEvents"=dword:00000000
"isShell"=dword:00000000
"isShellRoot"=dword:00000000
"forceSuspendOnPlay"=dword:00000000
"forceSuspendOnStop"=dword:00000000
"seralizeDispatcher"=dword:00000000
"vstVersion"=dword:00000001
"forceMono"=dword:00000001
"translateProgramChanges"=dword:00000000
"bitBridgeServerId"=dword:00000000
"addVstPrefix"=dword:00000000
"modStats"=hex:00,86,2d,2a,58,ab,cc,01,3f,e4,76,01




I've no idea why the lines come out in a different order and don't know if it matters. It seems that apart from the order, the only thing that is different from yours  is "modstats" values. Once again I have no idea if this matters.


This is what the RPCX entry looks like...

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RPCX\RPDelay]
"Serial"="SERIAL NO HIDDEN"
"BankDir"="C:\\Program Files\\Cakewalk\\VstPlugins\\Rob Papen\\RP-Delay\\Banks"
"PresetDir"="C:\\Program Files\\Cakewalk\\VstPlugins\\Rob Papen\\RP-Delay\\Presets"
"ECSDir"="C:\\Program Files\\Cakewalk\\VstPlugins\\Rob Papen\\RP-Delay\\ECS"
"SeqDir"="C:\\Program Files\\Cakewalk\\VstPlugins\\Rob Papen\\RP-Delay\\Sequences"
"MidiPreset"="N"
"HelpDir"="C:\\Program Files\\Cakewalk\\VstPlugins\\Rob Papen\\RP-Delay\\Help\\RP-Delay_Manual.pdf"

again displayed in a different order, and again I have no idea if that matters or not. Where it says "SERIAL NUMBER HIDDEN" is what I have typed instead of the serial no. as I thought it might not be the best idea to put the serial no. on a public forum, but it was the correct no. according to what I was given.

Anyway, progress of sorts.........

VST scan now picks it up, so I can add it to my menu, but when I try to insert the effect on a track I get a message to say that the plug-in failed to load as it is missing blah, blah......

D'oh !

Just thought I'd let you know. (you were actually online when I started typing, but I wasn't quick enough to catch you).

Whilst I would be happy to hear your thoughts, please don't feel obliged to continue with this, just wanted to let you know that I tried what you suggested. Like I say, I have the option of a refund here, so I'm not gonna be out of pocket and I've already learned a thing or two about the registry, so I'm still wiser for your intervention either way.

bitflipper


What's the verbatim text (or screenshot) of the error message you get during the scan? 

  The scan sems to work ok, the problem now is when I try to insert the fx....... here's the story in pics




 

bitflipper


Well that's progress...at least it shows up in the context menu now. Make sure the path to the dll is correct in the SONAR Inventory (hkcu\software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST\Inventory). You can check this within the Plugin Manager by selecting the plugin and clicking on "Plug-in Properties" and then "Details".

If I look where you suggest, the path is the same as shown on my plug-in manager screenshot in the Filename box. Apart from the different plug-in name, this is the same as RP-Distort which sits alongside it and works fine.


It's really weird - like its saying on the one hand that it is there (as per plug in manager) and then saying that it isn't (when I try to insert it from the menu)

bitflipper


I'm guessing the "not found" error isn't because the DLL itself does not exist at the expected location, but that some external dependency is missing. That could be an external library or data directory. You should have subdirectories named Banks, ECS, Help, Presets and Sequences.

Looking at the DLL's dependencies, the only thing I see that isn't a standard Windows library is libiomp5md.dll. I had to look that one up: it is a runtime library for the Intel C++ compiler to support multicore processing, and would have likely been installed along with rp-delay.dll. 

On my machine, libiomp5md.dll resides in \windows\system32. If the RP-Delay installer put it there, that suggests it would have required Admin perms to properly install. It also might not install if the file was in use by another plugin. See if you have the file, and if so check the version (mine shows 5.0.2009.623).

It's there ok, but looking at the dates I'm not sure it was put there by RP. Maybe just showing my complete ignorance of the inner workings of a PC here though ! :)

EDIT: version number is the same as yours too.

bitflipper


Well that's a dead-end. I have the same date on my copy. So you've got all the files and registry keys that are supposed to be there, but the dll won't load. The only thing left that I can think of is the copy-protection scheme.

That can be very difficult to troubleshoot, since the mechanism is deliberately obscure. I spent weeks trying to figure out why Dimension Pro wouldn't load. All I could determine was that the copy protection was failing. I would have never solved it if not for a tip from Willy Jones at Cakewalk, and that did not come from official channels but in a conversation at their NAMM booth.

I am not a fan of copy protection.

I hate to say it, but you may not be able to resolve this. Neither Cakewalk nor RP is likely to be able to duplicate your problem and therefore may not be unable to offer a solution. Still, it's probably your best bet.

Hmmm, I think it's really getting to the ...is it really worth the aggro......?  stage in that case. RP were all out of ideas long before you and based on my only dealings with CW to date, I'll die a long time before I ever get a response, so I guess I'll take the refund and chalk it down to experience. Thank you so much for your time and patience with this, the high esteem in which you are held in these parts is well deserved.