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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 11:50:03 (permalink)
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Well shoot John, ol pal.  And here I thought I was just about to wrap up my "holiday" spendin.  Yea, I went and looked at the YouTube examples and then went to their site and listened to the demos.  Yea, I ordered it already dang yor hide:-)

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I ordered this on a audioMIDI.com no brainer earlier this year. I'd better go check and see if there is a (free) version update.
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 12:17:02 (permalink)
So...can you answer Daryl's question?

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 12:42:36 (permalink)
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I downloaded the demo and had a play last night. I thought the simple harmonies (2 part) sounded pretty good and would be a great way to quickly 'pretty up' a bridge or chorus. However, I couldn't get the thing to sync up to my project. I dropped the vocal part into Vieklang (horrible name) and started from the top of the song and the original vocal and the harmony kept starting too early. I tried messing around with the offset etc and couldn't get it to line up. Any tips?

I only tried the product once (heck it was $20 IIRC) and did not have any sync problems,
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 12:53:07 (permalink)
However, I couldn't get the thing to sync up to my project. I dropped the vocal part into Vieklang (horrible name) and started from the top of the song and the original vocal and the harmony kept starting too early. I tried messing around with the offset etc and couldn't get it to line up. Any tips?
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I downloaded the demo and had a play last night. I thought the simple harmonies (2 part) sounded pretty good and would be a great way to quickly 'pretty up' a bridge or chorus. However, I couldn't get the thing to sync up to my project. I dropped the vocal part into Vieklang (horrible name) and started from the top of the song and the original vocal and the harmony kept starting too early. I tried messing around with the offset etc and couldn't get it to line up. Any tips?

very simple... click the clip you want to harmonize after you dragged it into Vieklang, and then click the set button next to offset host tempo .. 

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 12:54:28 (permalink)

I only tried the product once...

My toolbox is overflowing with cheap and free plugins that I used once and never again. I'd clean house except most of them did get used - once - and therefore have to stay around like a guest who won't go home after the party. That's why I'm really picky nowadays, no matter how good the deal.


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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 12:56:19 (permalink)
I also found out dont download the demo, just go to Zplane register the pluging and when they will give you the lastest version , with the web site open right click copy ur serial # and in Vieklang use Cntl V  to paste. do the same with the Reg code.. 

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 14:24:39 (permalink)
Thanks DJJ - I will try it tonight. I'm pretty sure I have already tried this but it was late :) Does the clip need to be cropped or should there be a silent section at the start of the clip (back to the start of the song). Sorry for all of the questions but there isn't much info in the manual.
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 14:44:18 (permalink)
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Thanks DJJ - I will try it tonight. I'm pretty sure I have already tried this but it was late :) Does the clip need to be cropped or should there be a silent section at the start of the clip (back to the start of the song). Sorry for all of the questions but there isn't much info in the manual.



Good Question most of my clips are trimmed , From what I gather where ever the now time is and you depress the set button thats when the harmonies will start. Ill check that out in a bit...
 But Definitely check it out using it with midi and using snapshots if you haven't, If your not sure how to use it as midi just create a midi track route the output to vielkang and in vielkang click the midi tab . Find the correct Key's  the harmonies are playing and then you can hit snapshot if you like , name it then edit the harmonies to different keys and take a snap shot, now your able to play multiple harmonies in different keys..and then record them as midi of course.




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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 14:50:32 (permalink)
Thank you DJJ - I will have a go tonight. I love this forum :)
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 16:16:56 (permalink)
Check out article should help out allot.. http://www.soundonsound.c...articles/vielklang.htm

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 18:16:00 (permalink)
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ol' pal, I thought I was the laziest SOB on the planet until you said you wanted Vielklang (I think that's German for that little hammer you pound meat with to tenderize) to harmonize SAMPLED FRICKIN' HORNS? Dude!

what he is doing a lot of re-mixers use that same sort of technique , actually as a time saver. Think I was watching someone doing the same thing with melodyne.. obviously the source material, must be easy to translate frequency wise .. and as a remixer he was only getting stems of audio, no midi.




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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/13 21:14:38 (permalink)
Yup...for some strange reason I can no longer post from my iPad...but that's exactly what I'm talkin about Fog, ol pal.  Plus...since it lets me export midi, I can save those "harmonies" as midi files to use on any other set of intruments I need any other time.  Let's hope it works as advertised.

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 07:38:10 (permalink)
Hi
I've had Vielklang for quite a few years - I don't use it very much but it can be handy for vocal sometimes (I've never tried to use it on anything else but I would assume it would work just as well) - however you have to spend a bit of time adjusting the individual voices (glide / delay etc). When taken together for a vocal harmony part buried a bit in the mix it will sound OK - However when you listen to each voice individually, they sound dreadful! It is quite surprising to me that you can then make these "bad" sounding individual parts sound good together, but there you go!
As to the syncing problem, this has always been an issue but there is an easy work round.
Before I use a clip to input into Vielklng, I make sure the clip  starts right from the beginning of the track (1:01:000) - I have then found no problems with syncing. If the clip you want to use does not start at 1:01:000 either just stretch it or bounce it.
The only other minor issue is that if you set up a part to loop, Vielklang has issues in keeping in synch, so I don't  use the loop function - if you stop and restart, there are no problems.
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 07:53:22 (permalink)
Thanks Nigel
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 08:14:29 (permalink)
With a price point like this it's a no brainer. I'm gonna pull the trigger.
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 10:27:25 (permalink)
Better than you asking us to pull your finger, I'm sure.
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 11:16:30 (permalink)
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Hi
I've had Vielklang for quite a few years - I don't use it very much but it can be handy for vocal sometimes (I've never tried to use it on anything else but I would assume it would work just as well) - however you have to spend a bit of time adjusting the individual voices (glide / delay etc). When taken together for a vocal harmony part buried a bit in the mix it will sound OK - However when you listen to each voice individually, they sound dreadful! It is quite surprising to me that you can then make these "bad" sounding individual parts sound good together, but there you go!
As to the syncing problem, this has always been an issue but there is an easy work round.
Before I use a clip to input into Vielklng, I make sure the clip  starts right from the beginning of the track (1:01:000) - I have then found no problems with syncing. If the clip you want to use does not start at 1:01:000 either just stretch it or bounce it.
The only other minor issue is that if you set up a part to loop, Vielklang has issues in keeping in synch, so I don't  use the loop function - if you stop and restart, there are no problems.
Nigel
Yup...even with Antares harmony stuff...or any of the hardware boxes...if you listen to the isolated "created" harmonies they sound pretty robotic.  But, in context, and eq'd and verbed correctly, they can sound just fine.  Go figure.  Melodyne is still the best solution for accurate harmonies.  But what Vielklang seems to be able to do is give you a quick leg up on CREATING the right harmonies quickly.  And, if it does only that, it's worth $45 IMHO.  Well see.
 

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/14 20:49:12 (permalink)
Well, I used it on a project and here are my "very initial" findings.  While it is waaay mo betta at scoring out the harmonies and then letting you edit them and save them as midi...it is waaaay less "good sounding" than Antares Harmony EFX.  But...for $45 semolians...still not bad for how I will end up using it.  This particular project was a down and dirty cheapo thing where I needed at least 3 part harmony but the client didn't want to pay for 3 singers.  Ergo "Vielklang".  I used both it and Antares Harmony EFX and got good results.  I'll let ya know if they pass muster with the client;-)
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/15 01:38:04 (permalink)
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/22 11:18:54 (permalink)
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http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Vielklang

A no Brainer here check out there Video / Demo..

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/24 12:49:40 (permalink)
post edited by Fog - 2011/12/24 12:53:41
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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/25 15:23:41 (permalink)
I too will pass on this voice doubler (of which I have many).

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/27 10:17:57 (permalink)
Any reason why I cannot get any audio out?

I installed it, registered it, add it in synth rack or add it in FX bin, I drag audio into it, it shows piano roll view of midi, but no audio comes out.

Am I missing something ?

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Re:Insane Deal.. Imho Best Harmonizer ONLY $45-- Compare to $220.00 2011/12/27 10:49:41 (permalink)
Like night follows day, as soon as I post, I figure it out.

No worries, got it working.

This tool will be useful for me.  Will help me hear different harmony lines, and them sing them myself.  I can think of a few other things that may be useful too.


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