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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 22:34:13 (permalink)

Hi Ben, Epiphone started in NYC and was the "other" 19th century arch top company that helped define the form factor.

Through the 1940's They made lots of serious jazz guitars and they adopted electronics early on as well.

Gibson bought them in the 1950s to use the brand to build a grade b distribution network in towns that already had Gibson dealers.

Gibson started mixing and matching and relabeling Gibson product as Epiphone and you have lots of examples of very similar guitars being sold through the 2 different branded channels.

Gibson decided to purchase guitars overseas as a way to compete with the Lawsuit era stuff and as a way to emphatically enforce their "trademarks". They named those guitars Epiphone too.

Then virtually all Epiphone stuff started coming from plants overseas and the quality was extremely varied depending on where it came from and it's price point.

You can buy an Epi Emperor with a hand carved spruce top for a lot of money or you can buy a plank of bass wood for next to nothing.


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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 22:43:54 (permalink)
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The made in China thing is garbage now, almost eveything is made in china and I personally have no problem with this.
This is my first forum test with Google Chrome, so please forgive me if the formatting is all screwed up.

The only problem I have with anything made overseas is the quality of the materials. For example, the Jazz Bass I have is made in Indonesia. A month after I got it the pots started crackling. Yeah, I live on a gravel road and it gets dusty in here, but it doesn't seem to have affected my other guitars that range from 25 to 60 years old. In other words, the people who make them can only make them as good as the materials they are given to work with.
Most of the stuff that has been made in China is designed else where. 
Gretsch guitars are made overseas, Epiphone, some Martin's are made in Mexico, and so on. It kills me that Martin makes all their strings and some guitars in Mexico now. Mainly because several of my relatives worked there all their lives, but, well, it's an American company, still owned by the same family. It's just wrong.


What really tweaks me about Gretsch is, they still charge an arm and a leg for all of their guitars, while everyone else has drastically lowered their prices. That's why I'll never buy a Gretsch or a Gibson for that matter.
the funniest thing is Fender Guitars made in Mexico.
I have a Korean made Fender acoustic that I got for $275 bucks 20 years ago. Still plays great and I've beat the hell out of it. Just got new strings for it tonight. Damn, I just remembered why I didn't like Martin strings and that's what I got again. Grr. The tension is insane on those damn things. Scary tight. Anyway, I have a roofing nail I hammered in to it for a guitar strap peg. Works, and the strap has never slipped off. :)


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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:00:04 (permalink)
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Then virtually all Epiphone stuff started coming from plants overseas and the quality was extremely varied depending on where it came from and it's price point.

You can buy an Epi Emperor with a hand carved spruce top for a lot of money or you can buy a plank of bass wood for next to nothing.
And that's really the problem. That is, how do you know what materials are really being used? When you read the specs it all sounds great, but it's really hard to tell for sure what's underneath the finish. I held a Gibson and Epi at Guitar Center. They both felt the same. The neck of the Epi actually felt a lot more comfortable to me.


I have the money, but I just can't bring myself to drop $3800 on a left handed Gibson semi hollow body. I just can't do it. Plus, like I said before, I've never played a Gibson I liked. To be fair, I haven't played all that many. Most people can't afford a left handed Gibson.




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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:06:20 (permalink)
I'm hearing you Bub and it's up to you but once again it's a good day thing and a bad day thing.

My Epiphone Hofner replica which I have had 5 years has had not one problem, cost $500, advertised price $700.

Now the downside is the knobs are a little on the cheap side or feel cheap because they are plastic but it has never put a foot wrong.  As I say 5 years old.

From what you are saying stay away from stuff made in indonesia and I would as well, look if you can afford an Epiphone Casino, then go for it, I think it is made for the music you are trying to do and I would trust it, I mean if you are going to put Lennons name to something, it has to do the job.  Yoko would never sully Johns name by putting out rubbish, brand Lennon=lots of money.  If she started to put out crap, well you get the point.  Same with my Hofner Replica.

Yea thanks for the info, Big Bunny (Mike) I remember the story now.

Neb

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:11:16 (permalink)
Ah you have brought up another interesting point different prices, so anything under a 1000, we are gambling, could be good (my Fender Accoustic and Beatle Bass) or it could be crap, like some of the examples you have given.

Anything over a 1000 to the 3500 mark the differences are going to negligible, I would suspect and I cant proove it the bits in the Gibson are going to be the same as the bits in the Epiphone, the difference is the name.

Once we go beyond the 3500 mark then we have quality.

I have spoke to some guitar shop owners about this and this is what they have reported to me, go for the Lennon Casino, thats my advice.

Neb

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:14:53 (permalink)
The only lefty that Epi makes in hollow/semi-hollow is the SII. I'd have to drastically customize anything else. 

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:40:35 (permalink)
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The only lefty that Epi makes in hollow/semi-hollow is the SII. I'd have to drastically customize anything else. 

Maybe then you should do that, it shouldn't cost that much more.
 
Sorry I would have answered you sooner having a fight in the Bull Pit or the X1 forum, with John.
 
Neb

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/24 23:59:30 (permalink)
My 92 PRS was made in the USA...

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/25 11:29:43 (permalink)
Hi Bub,

I have an older Sheraton II but I don't know where it was made. It is a decent guitar. For Chinese made guitars Agile has a good reputation. They have one semi hollow lefty http://www.rondomusic.com/harm1minifgleft.html

This is all their lefties: http://www.rondomusic.com/electricguitarleft.html

The Chinese have really improved over the last few years, IMO. I've never heard any complaints about Rondo either, I've bought three guitars from them and all three were really good for the money.

I've flirted with their version of the LP plain top fro several years. Sometimes they havea true plain top, right now they have a cherry burst with a 3/4" maple cap. http://www.rondomusic.com/product4884.html

Hope you get what you want.

Julien

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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/30 23:17:32 (permalink)
I thought I died and went to Heaven today ... I found a guitar shop with 7 left handed Martin's, and even more left handed Gibson's and Fenders.

It was a local guitar shop called http://www.promusicdm.com/.

I discovered something ... I physically can't play a Gibson hollow body. The necks are way too thick for my hands. It was like fretting the business end of a Louisville Slugger. So, scratch those.

Even though Gretsch's are made in China (IIRC), I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. What awesome guitars they make.

I picked up a new Squire Strat and darn near dropped it it was so heavy. Made my MIJ feel like a toy. :(

I also played an Epi LP Series II (IIRC). My God, what a wicked guitar. 

It seems the Epi's have slimmer necks and I can really rip it up on them. 

I was there for 3 hours playing in the middle of the day on a Friday. I basically had the whole place to myself.

I'm sure if I asked the guy to get one in, he'd order a lefty Sheraton II to try out. He got a lefty Martin in for me to try a few years back with no commitment to buy. I feel as though I owe him if you know what I mean.

Anyhoo ... the kid working the counter said they usually have a couple of lefty hollow and semi hollow bodies but they were out of stock at the moment. I can't wait to check back in a week or so.




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Re:Need guitar purchasing advice. 2012/03/30 23:28:16 (permalink)
Why do you want a left handed guitar? I like to use my left hand sometimes? But that's a different thread altogether...
 
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post edited by bandontherun19 - 2012/03/30 23:29:22

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