Somebody else is kicking our butt.

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 10:00:34 (permalink)
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As a matter of interest are they showing the same inputs?

I agree the 'R' version looks cleaner but it's not immediately obvious (to me at least) how I'd select a stereo input in that version.
In this product there are two dropdown windows.  One is for mono inputs and the other is stereo inputs so you get both worlds.  When I open the stereo input window, the layout is as confusing as SONAR's in regards to mono sources.
EDIT: I take my statement back.  It is not nearly as confusing as SONAR.  Here is a friendly name set up in Product R showing mono and stereo input selections.  You will see that it is very clear what is what when you format the list in this manner.  Anyone could come into my studio and know how my gear is routed in regards to inputs and not have to ask for a assignment sheet printed from a separate word processor to know how my pres are routed.
 
http://www.gatortraks.com/images/Stereo%20Input.JPG
 
You will also quickly see that you can assign stereo pairs in more than one configuration.  IOW, stereo 1  &2, Stereo 2&3, Stereo, 3&4, Stereo, Stereo 4&5 etc.


Thanks Dave. Gotchya. Yes I can see that is a much better set up. I wouldn't have thought it'd be that hard to implement either.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 10:02:38 (permalink)
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JT.

That is what I am thinking of as well. Yours looks a lot cleaner actually


It looks to me like what we need is similar to a Plugins Manager where anyone can format their plugins in a logical (to them) format.  We should be able to display our inputs and outputs in a format that works for us individually and have truly friendly names.


Now that is a really great idea. + loads.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 11:33:30 (permalink)
That's why I closed my studio to the public and went back to me myself and I. My nervous system could no longer take the fast slight of hand on the daw to keep up with demands of "them" as their I/O needs.

Ah that's better.

And get off my lawn too btw.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 11:55:51 (permalink)
Lemme see if I have this right.

Your success with clients is based on the name of the input for tracks?

OK seriously, I too agree that SONAR is weak in this area.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 12:15:43 (permalink)
Actually, the big discovery in this thread is that we share a collective butt. So you'd better all watch out, or I'll start spanking mine.

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 12:41:36 (permalink)
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Actually, the big discovery in this thread is that we share a collective butt. So you'd better all watch out, or I'll start spanking mine.

Amazing.  Actually funny and offensive to no one.  Who are you and what have you done with John T?
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 12:45:04 (permalink)
If John T starts spanking his butt, we'll all be offended.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 14:27:27 (permalink)
As requested.


That list above doesn't give me any trouble in picking the right inputs. I long ago figured out how Sonar sees inputs.
post edited by John - 2012/04/14 14:35:11

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 14:34:18 (permalink)
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Lemme see if I have this right.

Your success with clients is based on the name of the input for tracks?

OK seriously, I too agree that SONAR is weak in this area.


No, my success is based on the brand of bass I play.  ( backatcha)

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 14:36:56 (permalink)
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John T


Actually, the big discovery in this thread is that we share a collective butt. So you'd better all watch out, or I'll start spanking mine.

Amazing.  Actually funny and offensive to no one.  Who are you and what have you done with John T?

Hey, don't pick on John T.  He's having a good day so let's all enjoy it with him. 

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 14:49:33 (permalink)
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As requested.


That list above doesn't give me any trouble in picking the right inputs. I long ago figured out how Sonar sees inputs.
 
I can understand why you may be happy with that.  My beef is that Cakewalk created a feature called friendly names after it was requested by a number of folks back in the past and what they came up with wasn't so friendly at all.  The term "friendly" connotes that there will be some level of cooperation with the user - meaning that the user shouldn't have to figure out how the software sees things.  Somebody else has gone the extra mile to make it where their software works for the end user and not the other way around.
 
I only point this out to encourage improvement in the product.  And I'll allow for the option of "just the way it is" for everyone who doesn't want to use friendly names.

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 14:57:18 (permalink)
Dave I am on your side on this. I use MIDI inputs and outs a lot. They work well with friendly names. The audio ins and outs don't. I just have learned to understand how Sonar works with the audio inputs. In a way you are preaching to the choir. 

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 15:04:50 (permalink)
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That's why I closed my studio to the public and went back to me myself and I. My nervous system could no longer take the fast slight of hand on the daw to keep up with demands of "them" as their I/O needs.

Ah that's better.

And get off my lawn too btw.

I know what you mean and I've only recently decided to allow folks back in my studio.  Elimination of as much confusion as possible is the best way to make things enjoyable tolerable.

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/14 15:07:11 (permalink)
Speaking of strangers watching brings me to my pet hate:

When I clone the last track so the artist can have another go at a take, I then have to drag it back into the originating folder, ABOVE the track I copied it from, and then drag them so that they are in the right order again.

And adjusting the "starting track", as Cakewalk Support told me to do, does not reduce the number of steps involved.

Painful.
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/15 13:16:46 (permalink)
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Speaking of strangers watching brings me to my pet hate:

When I clone the last track so the artist can have another go at a take, I then have to drag it back into the originating folder, ABOVE the track I copied it from, and then drag them so that they are in the right order again.

And adjusting the "starting track", as Cakewalk Support told me to do, does not reduce the number of steps involved.

Painful.

This is a pet peeve of mine, so I have created a workaround that might seem awkward but there are additional benefits for me...


Every time I create a folder, I put a dummy MIDI track in there and then always insert new tracks (audio or MIDI) above that dummy track, such tht the dummy track is always the last track in the respective folder.  That way any cloning is guaranteed to leave the new track within the same folder.


The "additional benefits"?  I use the dummy track to place comments or to label sections of music with a dummy clips that help inform me at a glance things I need to remember about that folder.  It also serves as a way to create a horizontal "space" between folders when the screen starts to get busy wi lots of tracks, clips and other folders.


But yes, the current cloning of tracks being added to another folder is less than ideal and should be fixed (or improved, depending on how one feels about whether this is working as designed or intended)
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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/15 14:53:54 (permalink)
This seems to be linked to a deeper i/o issue. Sonar seems to always be dealing with stereo paths internally. This also has a direct effect on external inserts. If you use a mono input via an external insert, it kills it's stereo partner.

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Re:Somebody else is kicking our butt. 2012/04/15 15:40:24 (permalink)
I did once post somewhere else that there was going to be a little bit more to it than 'friendly' names, but I got told off for being silly.
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