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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 14:59:19
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Starise space_cowboy The stats are straightforward Earth is 4.5 Billion years old The universe is nearly 13 Billion. ==>There is the potential for civilizations to be billions of years older than us. There are about 100 billion galaxies. That is 100*10^9 They have about 100 billion stars each. ==>That implies 10,000 * 10^18 or 1x10^22 stars Recent observations indicate that it looks like there are way way more stars with planets than ever previously thought. So if you do the (galaxies*stars/galaxy*planets/star*some probability factor that life emerges) equation, you still get huge numbers. If we are relatively young versus the rest of the universe, then you have to figure we are about average (no way well above) versus the intellect of other civilizaitons. Probably a long way above the termite folks of pinewood 7 but a long way below the brain swarm. There would be billions of civilizations. This idea totally leaves out any possibility that maybe a decision is made on where life will be. Gosh I hope not.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 15:16:34
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:) My speed reading skills were implanted when I was abducted by aliens :) My problem is with the phrase 'accepted science' To me, accepted science is such a closed minded phrase. Honestly, I'm not sure if I totally believe that Aliens once inhabited the earth or even exist but no-one can PROVE either way. Explain to me how the Easter Island heads got there, how the stones at Stonehenge got there, how the pyramids were built. Until 1905, we believed that the Sphinx was just a head until we found the body hidden under the sand. We are a conceited generation if we think that we invented everything and that we are far superior than previous generations
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 15:45:58
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Now now, I said one at a time.  That was three. No, we will never know for sure, unless we invent time travel. Many of the figureheads at Easter Island have been moved and restored to their upright position using the techniques available to the natives at the time. What early researchers in the 1950's saw was an island that was a barren rock scape. There were roads, but the roads did not seem to be capable of supporting the stones. But modern evidence shows clearly that the island was thickly forested at the time of the carving of the stone monuments, and that the monoliths were likely moved by rolling them on log platforms using the roads, and raised into place with trenches and light derricks. These techniques were well established by the polynesian boatbuilders who discovered and populated the island. Or, they could have been beamed there by aliens. http://www.eisp.org/category/archaeology/research/
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 15:46:39
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this dude has obviously been butt probed, many times, without yield.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 15:57:17
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daryl1968 :) My speed reading skills were implanted when I was abducted by aliens :) My problem is with the phrase 'accepted science' To me, accepted science is such a closed minded phrase. Accepted science is based on evidence. It's not the random unsupported conjecture and speculation that is the hallmark of pseudo-science. Something being fully or partially unexplained is not evidence of anything.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:06:30
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drewfx1 daryl1968 :) My speed reading skills were implanted when I was abducted by aliens :) My problem is with the phrase 'accepted science' To me, accepted science is such a closed minded phrase. Accepted science is based on evidence. It's not the random unsupported conjecture and speculation that is the hallmark of pseudo-science. Something being fully or partially unexplained is not evidence of anything. Then we are both correct
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:07:30
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batsbrew this dude has obviously been butt probed, many times, without yield. arse
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:24:58
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daryl1968 batsbrew this dude has obviously been butt probed, many times, without yield. arse LOL. Sincerely I thought he was talking about me, hehehe. Daryl, I am actually taking you seriously. When I first encountered some of these mysteries, many of the ideas presented like Danikan's or Hoagland's were indeed compelling and thought provoking. Romantic too. Frankly, they are far more interesting than the actual mundane (but likely real) explanations of science. I think it would be great if the ideas were real. But... I always have to come back to the principle of Occam's Razor: When there are competing answers to a single question, the simplest answer us usually the correct one.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:35:08
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Foxwolfen - I know you are mate. The thing is, I can't sit here and say that I believe in aliens. I can't sit here and say I believe in god. I can't sit here and say that I believe that Coventry City will win the FA cup next year (English joke) but I keep an open mind about everything. I do believe that human history goes back a lot longer than traditional historians understand. If that is the case then things have been missed.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:39:48
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I have had three "close encounters" that I will not go into at this point. Two were missing time events.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:46:52
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daryl1968 Foxwolfen - I know you are mate. The thing is, I can't sit here and say that I believe in aliens. I can't sit here and say I believe in god. I can't sit here and say that I believe that Coventry City will win the FA cup next year (English joke) but I keep an open mind about everything. I do believe that human history goes back a lot longer than traditional historians understand. If that is the case then things have been missed. +1 (A similar joke here would be the Toronto Maple Leafs winning the Stanley Cup) I completely agree, and believe it or not, I continue to look for such evidence today. Science does not often adequately explain the sudden and global "awakening" that is only about 6000 years old. Sometimes we find things that are so incredible, I cannot help but believe humanity had a "hand up". But then, given time, the path to the past and how things got to be the way we found them is revealed. And what is revealed is evolution. Social and biological.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:53:30
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foxwolfen But modern evidence shows clearly that the island was thickly forested at the time of the carving of the stone monuments, and that the monoliths were likely moved by rolling them on log platforms using the roads, and raised into place with trenches and light derricks. These techniques were well established by the polynesian boatbuilders who discovered and populated the island. I think I read that the indigenous peoples of Easter Island contributed to their own demise by overexploiting their natural resources, especially the trees.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:55:56
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SteveStrummerUK foxwolfen But modern evidence shows clearly that the island was thickly forested at the time of the carving of the stone monuments, and that the monoliths were likely moved by rolling them on log platforms using the roads, and raised into place with trenches and light derricks. These techniques were well established by the polynesian boatbuilders who discovered and populated the island. I think I read that the indigenous peoples of Easter Island contributed to their own demise by overexploiting their natural resources, especially the trees. I thought maybe they ran out of rocks!
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 16:56:52
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SteveStrummerUK foxwolfen But modern evidence shows clearly that the island was thickly forested at the time of the carving of the stone monuments, and that the monoliths were likely moved by rolling them on log platforms using the roads, and raised into place with trenches and light derricks. These techniques were well established by the polynesian boatbuilders who discovered and populated the island. I think I read that the indigenous peoples of Easter Island contributed to their own demise by overexploiting their natural resources, especially the trees. sounds familiar..........
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:00:51
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drewfx1 daryl1968 :) My speed reading skills were implanted when I was abducted by aliens :) My problem is with the phrase 'accepted science' To me, accepted science is such a closed minded phrase. Accepted science is based on evidence. It's not the random unsupported conjecture and speculation that is the hallmark of pseudo-science. That's absolutely correct. No good scientist is ever certain of anything. Any theory, or more accurately - any hypothesis, is only valid as long as the evidence and experimental data suggests it is the best fit. Any new evidence that disproves an idea just moves the process on to the next stage.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:01:40
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foxwolfen daryl1968 Foxwolfen - I know you are mate. The thing is, I can't sit here and say that I believe in aliens. I can't sit here and say I believe in god. I can't sit here and say that I believe that Coventry City will win the FA cup next year (English joke) but I keep an open mind about everything. I do believe that human history goes back a lot longer than traditional historians understand. If that is the case then things have been missed. +1 (A similar joke here would be the Toronto Maple Leafs winning the Stanley Cup) I completely agree, and believe it or not, I continue to look for such evidence today. Science does not often adequately explain the sudden and global "awakening" that is only about 6000 years old. Sometimes we find things that are so incredible, I cannot help but believe humanity had a "hand up". But then, given time, the path to the past and how things got to be the way we found them is revealed. And what is revealed is evolution. Social and biological. Well said sir....... I believe that we have devolved in SO many ways.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:01:51
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space_cowboy I have had three "close encounters" that I will not go into at this point. Two were missing time events. I just wish there was some hard evidence that could demonstrate that happening. I am not much into conspiracy theories, so I do not believe that the gov't or Luminati is repressing evidence. The most compelling argument against visitation is that lack. I have experienced a few events myself... events that could easily fit into the an encounter scenario, or a religious scenario, depending on your bent. But the more I learn about the human brain, especially the sleeping or semi-awake human brain, the less I think there was any external event. I will tell you though, these were positively the most frightening events in my life, events where I tried to scream for help, but could not. Really scary.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:06:21
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SteveStrummerUK foxwolfen But modern evidence shows clearly that the island was thickly forested at the time of the carving of the stone monuments, and that the monoliths were likely moved by rolling them on log platforms using the roads, and raised into place with trenches and light derricks. These techniques were well established by the polynesian boatbuilders who discovered and populated the island. I think I read that the indigenous peoples of Easter Island contributed to their own demise by overexploiting their natural resources, especially the trees. Exactly.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:23:38
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Civlizations rise and fall. There are four arms in our Galaxy, one of about 50 or so we are travelin' in spacetime with. There may be more stars than previously thought. And I suppose all of the Civilizations not us would probably be in stealth if Advanced. But from the 2 million year-old supposed footprint just found recently to Lucy (mother of humankind) to the other older one forget the name (starts with "A"), Ardy or something like that, the time frame seems to get pushed back even on our speck of a Planet in this Solar System. Well..............................perhaps?
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:29:00
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Lets face it: Our planet turns out stuff like: Baby Got Back Sex in the City Jersey Shore Jerry Springer If Aliens were to visit our planet nowadays, they would most assuredly not return.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:37:59
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space_cowboy Lets face it: Our planet turns out stuff like: Baby Got Back Sex in the City Jersey Shore Jerry Springer If Aliens were to visit our planet nowadays, they would most assuredly not return. Chortle !
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:46:08
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space_cowboy I have had three "close encounters" that I will not go into at this point. Two were missing time events. Me too. Only mine were Mezcal related.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 17:51:01
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No good scientist is ever certain of anything. Any theory, or more accurately - any hypothesis, is only valid as long as the evidence and experimental data suggests it is the best fit. Any new evidence that disproves an idea just moves the process on to the next stage. That's something that they bored us with at Uni- Karl Popper talked about the Graveyard of failed ideas and that no amount of corroboration can prove a theory true and one bit of contradictory evidence can show it to be false. Pretty obvious really. On the UFO thing there is a really interesting Dick Feynman book called "the meaning of it all" or some;thing like that which comprises three lectures he gave in the sixties. Kind of his Philosophy of science and also of the importance of doubt and not being afraid of not knowing everything. He talked specificvally about UFOs there and said he found it interesting how people suddenly became obssesed about UFOs when they themselves built aircraft and spacecraft to further their exploration. Here's a classic Feynman on UFOs clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLaRXYai19A
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 18:05:03
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daryl1968 I believe that he is hiding his tentacles under the hair. I said tentacles Ya. His tentacles AND his arse.
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 18:51:12
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craigb daryl1968 I believe that he is hiding his tentacles under the hair. I said tentacles Ya. His tentacles AND his arse. :)
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 20:01:08
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Oh me oh my there's a light in the sky
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
2012/04/18 22:44:04
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pwal imo "Paul" is an on-topic funny movie, but no so good as pegg's earlier flicks (shaun of the dead, hot fuzz) or the tv series "spaced" (my fav of his)... furthermore, i'm slightly puzzled by the comment "I do not believe there is a contradiction between aliens and mainstream religion"...? Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz are bloody brilliant pickle
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Re:UFOs, Visitations, Ancient Aliens...Questions I can never seem to answer
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